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Postby Interrupted » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:38 pm

Thank you for sharing your experience, agatha :)
28/07/10, 04/10/10, 16/11/10 - Dopplers x3 Ireland, Poland, Scotland.
12/10/10 - 1st procedure, Poland. Symptoms worsened. No improvement.
Verdict: I urge caution + am taking a back seat watching research ATM.
13/02/12 - Started Wheldon ABX protocol.
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Postby CuriousRobot » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:45 pm

Interrupted wrote:Dr W won't take me on because i've had CCSVI surgery :(


I am a little confused. Is Dr W the same as Dr Wheldon? Is there any issue with having the liberation procedure and then going on antibiotics for MS?
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Postby Interrupted » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:13 am

CuriousRobot wrote:
Interrupted wrote:Dr W won't take me on because i've had CCSVI surgery :(


I am a little confused. Is Dr W the same as Dr Wheldon? Is there any issue with having the liberation procedure and then going on antibiotics for MS?


Yes.

I think his point was that as a lot of MS patients have tried so many things (and as CCSVI surgery is so new and has no long term implications at this point) that for a doctor it confuses clear results and association.
Because treating MS with ABx is a long process that can be very unpleasant and tough to stick with at points, people have to be very seriously committed to it and he has to be able to see clear cause and effect.

It is understandable, and should I pursue ABx then I will probably no longer pursue CCSVi with further surgery. I understood his logic.
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12/10/10 - 1st procedure, Poland. Symptoms worsened. No improvement.
Verdict: I urge caution + am taking a back seat watching research ATM.
13/02/12 - Started Wheldon ABX protocol.
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Postby SarahLonglands » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:24 am

Yes and no: I can say this with certainty, being married to him.

ABX must be long term and can be unpleasant in parts so you do have to be seriously committed to it. However, he is far more interested in seeing people get better than seeing clear cause and effect, but too many people are running off to get themselves liberated without giving ABX enough time. Having a ccsvi procedure then straight away turning to ABX implies that you are someone like this. However, Interrupted has shown she isn't, looking at her new signature!

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An Itinerary in Light and Shadow Completed Dr Charles Stratton / Dr David Wheldon abx regime for aggressive secondary progressive MS in June 2007, after four years. Still improving with no relapses since starting. Can't run but can paint all day.
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Postby CuriousRobot » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:54 pm

Anecdote wrote:Yes and no: I can say this with certainty, being married to him.

ABX must be long term and can be unpleasant in parts so you do have to be seriously committed to it. However, he is far more interested in seeing people get better than seeing clear cause and effect, but too many people are running off to get themselves liberated without giving ABX enough time. Having a ccsvi procedure then straight away turning to ABX implies that you are someone like this. However, Interrupted has shown she isn't, looking at her new signature!

Sarah


How does that make one fickle, though? No one wants to be a research experiment.
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Postby SarahLonglands » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:30 am

No, but people generally want to get better............Sarah
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Postby Interrupted » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:26 am

Ok, am terrified that I won't be able to handle the herxing of this as i'm so weak and barely conscious most of the time - but i'm clearly never going to pick up from the 6 month long lull so here I come ABX and the lovely Dr W!

*insert quaking but determined emoticon* :roll:
28/07/10, 04/10/10, 16/11/10 - Dopplers x3 Ireland, Poland, Scotland.
12/10/10 - 1st procedure, Poland. Symptoms worsened. No improvement.
Verdict: I urge caution + am taking a back seat watching research ATM.
13/02/12 - Started Wheldon ABX protocol.
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Postby SarahLonglands » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:55 am

Well, I'd best brush him down and get his hair cut!!

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Postby Interrupted » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:50 am

That paints a wonderful image :lol:
28/07/10, 04/10/10, 16/11/10 - Dopplers x3 Ireland, Poland, Scotland.
12/10/10 - 1st procedure, Poland. Symptoms worsened. No improvement.
Verdict: I urge caution + am taking a back seat watching research ATM.
13/02/12 - Started Wheldon ABX protocol.
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Postby SarahLonglands » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:25 am

Well, it is my profession!!
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Postby Interrupted » Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:01 pm

Sarah,

Do you feel that there is a level of illness/weakness that means a person is unlikely to be able to cope with the harshness of the ABX and herxing?

This is a BIG concern for me, I can barely tolerate a short dose of ABX for something simple (even when I was 'healthy' many moons ago), they wreak havoc on me and always have.

In all common sense, this is still the thought that haunts me... if I start, I do not want to have to stop but my confidence in what my body can take is below rock bottom right now :?
28/07/10, 04/10/10, 16/11/10 - Dopplers x3 Ireland, Poland, Scotland.
12/10/10 - 1st procedure, Poland. Symptoms worsened. No improvement.
Verdict: I urge caution + am taking a back seat watching research ATM.
13/02/12 - Started Wheldon ABX protocol.
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everyone is different

Postby SarahLonglands » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:01 am

This is difficult to answer because every body is different. Not everyone will find the "herxing" difficult to cope with whatever their existing weakness.

I can only speak for myself, but I have only once been affected by great pain, nearly six months into treatment. It was a type of causalgia which ran up and down my right arm for maybe two weeks but thankfully lessened at night. The actual herxing came on stating the treatment but only lasted about two weeks again. It didn't involve pain but a general nuttiness. I needed David at this time to make sure that I didn't miss any doses of abx.

The worst period for many people seems to come when metronidazole is added, which is why the idea of pulsing it is so good. I know of several people who have yet to do a full five day pulse. It doesn't matter: you just take it at your own rate. It is also better not to start it too soon: I left it for about three months.

Before I started I had only taken antibiotics twice before, about five days each, once for scarlet fever when I was six and once when I was about thirty for an infected mosquito bite.

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Postby Interrupted » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:04 pm

Thank you for that. It's not so much limb or body pain that concerns me as neurological problems like crucifying and eye destroying migraines, fluctuating consciousness and general head/neck problems being exacerbated that I can't cope with half the time now. And that's before the rest of the failing body weakness and general tetchiness it has towards general medicine and ABX.

That info is helpful though, thank you for elaborating.[/i]
28/07/10, 04/10/10, 16/11/10 - Dopplers x3 Ireland, Poland, Scotland.
12/10/10 - 1st procedure, Poland. Symptoms worsened. No improvement.
Verdict: I urge caution + am taking a back seat watching research ATM.
13/02/12 - Started Wheldon ABX protocol.
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Postby SarahLonglands » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:18 am

You are obviously one of the people who would most benefit from Dr Stratton's research on how the treatment could be made easier. The trouble is that to do things properly takes time and time many people don't have. If you come to see David he will no doubt recommend that you go slow: take notice of that.

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Postby Daisy3 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:26 am

Sarah,

We emailed back and forth a while ago. My husband has PRMS. We tried the N-acetyl test (think thats how its spelt) for the time it was recommended. The only thing he got was a slight runny nose,but he wasn't sure if that as due to the rain he got caught in or not. I think we were expecting a bigger herx reaction.
Do you know of patients with PRMS that have done well on antibiotics?
Does your husband see patients still on this subject? We are aware that neurology offers us nothing,and CCSVI is a shaky ground to stand on right now,especially for progressive patients.
I guess we feel we should try something that might work. It would help if we knew others with the same condition did well..

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