why do antibiotics and immonsupressing both work?

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Re: why do antibiotics and immonsupressing both work?

Postby jimmylegs » Tue May 14, 2013 2:09 pm

when I was younger I had repeated courses of abx for 'infections' and finally, acting on a tip from a neighbor to visit a local alt med practitioner, probiotics (and uva ursi tea) broke the cycle. life-changing. my first step away from pharma.

I've only needed abx for infection once in the decades since. and i definitely used probiotics during and after the cycle. i think they are of value to anyone who requires abx intervention. I've also tried one or two antifungals over the last few yrs, until i realized my issues were linked to problems with my immune system.

now of course i use antiviral/antibacterial/antifungal nutrients for immune support, with great success so far :) what a relief! for whatever reason, antibacterial nutrients do not interfere with gut flora in the way that pharma abx can. i have a research abstract for that last assertion somewhere, will repost if i can find it again.
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Re: why do antibiotics and immonsupressing both work?

Postby Gogo » Tue May 14, 2013 2:49 pm

Loriyas wrote:Geeze Gogo, what do you want? This continuous bashing of the antibiotic therapy (and of Sarah) is growing tiresome. Not every therapy works for every patient. But a patient should have the opportunity to try whatever therapy they deem appropriate. There is a ton of research available for someone to make an intelligent decision on whether this therapy is the right one for them or not. You obviously have chosen not to give it a try for yourself. Good for you! But others may decide it is right for them. Good for them! But stop with the scare tactics.


No one is bashing anyone. In most of the forums here people share infos, research papers, etc on therapies. Here, I hear only personal experiences. That is very subjective and someone can not conclude anything from individual experiences.

Aren't these forums are for asking and sharing info?

I think the theory is interesting and there are papers about it. However, I read nothing on how Cpn is related to all those things that we already know about the different types of MS. Cpn can not be detected in MS patients, so I assume the only thing that might help determine who benefits from the therapy is the well documented experience of the doctors. Don't you think that someone should be interested in whether he might benefit from a treatment or not before starting it?

If anyone has info from doctors or recent research papers, why does not she/he share it here? You can not try all the different therapies, angioplasty, abx for Cpn, abx for lyme, stem cells, etc. based on very different theories.
I remember the time when angioplasty was the cure for MS. :)

You are all just arguing instead giving any info. Don't you think you would help much more people with that? You can post a short paper on the protocol and what and how to take and that it is. As far as I read the posts here
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Re: why do antibiotics and immonsupressing both work?

Postby MacKintosh » Tue May 14, 2013 3:38 pm

As far as posting a short paper and a critique and a how to go about it, well.... no. But you can read all about it for yourself HERE:
http://www.CPn Help.org/?q=multiple_sclerosis_resear
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Re: why do antibiotics and immonsupressing both work?

Postby SarahLonglands » Wed May 15, 2013 12:06 pm

Gogo, if you read both the post quoted by Mackintosh and this, which I have posted many times: http://www.davidwheldon.co.uk/ms-treatment.html you will see that it is quite untrue when you say that cpn can't be detected in MS patients and I'm not just talking about myself here: it has been found in patients at Vanderbilt in a very large percentage.

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Re: why do antibiotics and immonsupressing both work?

Postby jimmylegs » Wed May 15, 2013 12:34 pm

guys I think this is officially going in circles, can we agree to disagree? thanks in advance.
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Re: why do antibiotics and immonsupressing both work?

Postby Gogo » Sun May 19, 2013 1:40 am

jimmylegs wrote:guys I think this is officially going in circles, can we agree to disagree? thanks in advance.


Hi Jimmy,
that is too bad if we are going in circles. :) I am just trying to be critical to understand how abx treatment works on MS and try to see the connections what neuros already know about the disease and what has been dicovered by Dr Wheldon and at Vanderbilt. It is a tremendous thing if abx works but we can not base a treatment only on hypothesis and belief.
So, I am just asking those who have any papers or info from doctors who has wide experience with treating MS patients with abx to share that with us instead of calling names.
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Re: why do antibiotics and immonsupressing both work?

Postby jimmylegs » Mon May 20, 2013 7:34 pm

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Re: why do antibiotics and immonsupressing both work?

Postby NHE » Tue May 21, 2013 10:21 pm

Gogo wrote:I am just trying to be critical to understand how abx treatment works on MS and try to see the connections what neuros already know about the disease and what has been dicovered by Dr Wheldon and at Vanderbilt.


Yes, a critical analysis of all of the theories regarding MS benefits us all.
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Re: why do antibiotics and immonsupressing both work?

Postby Liberation » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:06 pm

jimmylegs wrote:when I was younger I had repeated courses of abx for 'infections' and finally, acting on a tip from a neighbor to visit a local alt med practitioner, probiotics (and uva ursi tea) broke the cycle. life-changing. my first step away from pharma.

I've only needed abx for infection once in the decades since. and i definitely used probiotics during and after the cycle. i think they are of value to anyone who requires abx intervention. I've also tried one or two antifungals over the last few yrs, until i realized my issues were linked to problems with my immune system.

now of course i use antiviral/antibacterial/antifungal nutrients for immune support, with great success so far :) what a relief! for whatever reason, antibacterial nutrients do not interfere with gut flora in the way that pharma abx can. i have a research abstract for that last assertion somewhere, will repost if i can find it again.

Hi JL,
Can u tell me more bout your antiviral/ antibacterial/antifungus nutritional plan? Recently, I got cold too often. Also nail fungus come out again and again. Thx
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Re: why do antibiotics and immonsupressing both work?

Postby jimmylegs » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:39 pm

what's your current supplement regimen lib? I can definitely send info your way, but would like to know what you're already doing. diet info would be useful also. three day food fluid pharma and supplements info, if you can. i'll look for gaps/conflicts that could be contributing to infection rates.
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