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No sign of bacterial infection

Postby bromley » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:28 am

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Postby robbie » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:57 am

Thank you for this Bromley, it helps put my mind at ease.
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Postby SarahLonglands » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:01 am

Bromley, you need a microbiologist to accurately detect a bacterial infection anywhere, and what is in the brain tissue does not always show in the cerebrospinal fluid, since it changes so regularly, like a fast flowing stream, so no matter how carefully Lindsey and Patel develop their PCR method, they will fail unless they can use it on actual biopsy tissue.

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Postby bromley » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:17 am

Sarah,

This was posted on the ACP site today. I don't have a clue as to whether their approach is good / bad.

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Postby MacKintosh » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:20 am

So, they conclude THEY are unable to find bacteria. NOT that it doesn't exist. One of the early comments about detecting this bacteria is that it isn't likely to be found in a spinal tap and requires the patient be dead in order to locate it by biopsy in the brain. (Do they have the rights to the Vanderbilt method? It doesn't sound like it.)

Robbie, you are quitting before even starting?
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Postby robbie » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:58 am

So this study is a waste of time and money, throw it on the pile
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Postby tory2457 » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:39 pm

I can't agree more with Sarah..

This study isn't a new revelation,,,

Here's some reading explaining "why" bacteria isn't found very often in the spinal fluid. Dr Lida Matman talks about the pleomorphic phase of bacteria.

take notice this is from 2005.
http://www.personalconsult.com/articles ... event.html

Robbie, don't throw your towel in yet..... :)
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Postby robbie » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:15 pm

So why do a study like this?
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Postby MacKintosh » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:27 pm

Well, if they're trying to devise a testing procedure, and if it's successful, they're rich.

If they're trying to determine whether there is, indeed, cpn in spinal fluid, this serves as their 'proof' it isn't there.

But they aren't using Vanderbilt's method with trained specialists who know how to administer it, so then it's a waste.
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Postby SarahLonglands » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:35 pm

Wait a moment, they seem to be trying to show that no bacteria invades the CNS: that is just stupid.

Robbie, please don't stop before you are even doing the protocol in total. Twelve weeks is no time and minocycline by itself is no where near enough.

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