Green Tea Boosts ABX Effectiveness

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Green Tea Boosts ABX Effectiveness

Postby Frank » Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:52 am

Treatment: Gilenya since 01/2011, CCSVI both IJV ballooned 09/2010, Tysabri stopped after 24 Infusions and positive JCV antibody test, after LDN, ABX Wheldon Regime for 1 year.
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Postby Rudi » Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:32 am

Fascinating, I always have a cup of Japanese Maccha tea in the morning!
1st traceable symptoms July 2006 - realized I had MS November 2006
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Postby MacKintosh » Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:11 am

I must say, I'm not fond of green tea, but I could just consider it part of the regimen and down a cup for the cause... :wink:
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Postby notasperfectasyou » Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:24 am

like the rest of our life, this is available as a pill at the supplement store.

I recall, without details, something about green tea being a bad idea for MS patients. I don't remember where I read this. Might have been here at TIMS. I need to check. Ken
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Postby wiggy » Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:38 pm

Ken,
I remember over the years hearing "stay away from anything that would strengthen the immune system" - the idea was keeping immune system poor so it wasn't strong enough to attack you anymore.
My sister a nutritionist told me this year she wanted me drinking 4 cups of green tea a day. I thought to myself, I am never going to be able to do this - but I try and it does help - it isn't tastey - but I just started adding a lot of lemon and that helps!
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Postby MacKintosh » Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:44 pm

Wiggy, You know, I recall reading similar stuff about no antioxidants when I started researching MS in August 2005. I thought it was nonsense then, and still do, obviously. Reading the Wheldon paper, heavy on antioxidants, I saw logic.

Now for my green tea confession. At the beginning of all this, I could eat almost nothing. The prednisone had me hyperactive and unable to eat anything except a particular salad available at one of our local chain restaurants. It has chicken and a honey mustard dressing and must containg something my body craved (I ate 1/3 of a salad each day and did this for about a month). That, and maybe half a banana.

Green tea was wonderful then. I drank it daily, as it was recommended for wellness. I'd add honey or not, and that was about it. Once I got on abx, I couldn't tolerate the taste. Haven't been able to the whole thirty months since. I suppose I should give it another shot, to be fair.
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Postby elaine » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:32 pm

so green tea dosn't have a bitter taste you should boil fresh water and let kettle sit for a few minutes before pouring into your cup, let tea bag sit for 3 mins before removing.
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Re: Green Tea Boosts ABX Effectiveness

Postby NHE » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:23 am

MacKintosh wrote:You know, I recall reading similar stuff about no antioxidants when I started researching MS in August 2005. I thought it was nonsense then, and still do, obviously. Reading the Wheldon paper, heavy on antioxidants, I saw logic.

In a couple of prior posts I discuss that not all antioxidants are created equally. Some can provide an anti-inflammatory effect while others can be proinflammatory.

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Re: Green tEa Boosts ABX Effectiveness

Postby NHE » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:11 am

Here are some links to some other good discussions about green tea which discuss EGCG's ability to inhibit matrix metalloproteases.

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Postby MacKintosh » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:43 am

Thanks, Elaine!
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Postby wiggy » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:53 pm

Mack,
I think back on that "weakened immune system strategy" and feel so much better now my immune system is actually stronger and working.

You must have lost a lot of weight that month of 1/3 of a salad and a banana. That salad sounds good but you must have gotten tired of it.

I have found different types of green tea have better flavor. I have tried several.
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Postby MacKintosh » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:47 pm

Ten pounds in ten days. Fourteen pounds overall, before a friend forced me to eat chicken and rice one day. My neuro asked if I was 'eating everything, including cardboard' since he was certain steroids would make me ravenous. Quite the opposite.

Come to think of it, since he was so condescending about antibiotics, I should have known he'd be 'backward thinking' on other stuff, too. :wink:

Yes, I grew tired of the salad and couldn't touch it for about a year. I've only recently eaten it on occasion and find it doesn't have the same draw it used to have. I must have needed something it contained - mustardy dressing, little pasta bits, chicken (though I rarely ate the chicken)... Who knows?
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