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More on iron chelation

Postby lucky125 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:25 pm

From my dietician, Esther Blum Horn in NYC:

full article with references: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi10.html

"How to remove (chelate) excess iron (rust) from the body

The question is, what can adult males, or females who have not menstruated for years, do to remove the excess iron from their body stores? Chelation therapy is what is needed, the removal of the excess iron. Alternative medical specialists offer to perform chelation therapy via the intravenous administration of EDTA, a mineral chelator. Intravenous chelation therapy requires many treatments, maybe 30 or 40, and is somewhat costly ($3000-4000). Conventional medicine also has a mineral-chelating drug, desferrioxamine, but it is sparingly used because of side effects.

Nature's most potent rust remover is phytic acid, commonly found in whole grains, seeds and nuts. Phytic acid – also called inositol hexaphosphate, or IP6 – is comprised of six phosphorus molecules and one molecule of inositol. IP6 is provided as a food supplement extracted from rice bran (Tsuno Foods & Rice Co., Wakayama, Japan). Bran cereal has some IP6 in it, but it is already bound to minerals. The IP6 extract imported from Japan is 70 percent unbound, ready to selectively chelate (attach to) minerals as it enters the human circulatory system.28 IP6 doesn't remove minerals from bones or other needed minerals, it just removes the free unbound iron, copper, calcium, and heavy metals such as mercury, lead and cadmium. IP6 has little or no affinity for sodium, potassium, and magnesium, the important electrolyte minerals required for proper heart rhythm. Taken in between meals with water, IP6 can rid the body of excessive iron and other minerals in a short period of time, 30-90 days. Once bound to IP6 the excess minerals are excreted via the urinary flow. IP6 rice bran extract is an unheralded but potent anti-aging therapy.

The iron stores in your body will control the severity of disease and longevity. Learning how to control iron is a major, if not the primary, anti-aging factor in living organisms. The pursuit of long life requires the control of iron."

She consulted three colleagues and they recommend 3 tablets a day of Cell Forte brand of IP6 + Inositol found here: www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Cell-Fo ... /2233?at=0
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Postby shye » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:21 pm

the above article is by Bill Sardi---he has done much research and has a book on IP6.
He recommends
using IP6 is provided as a food supplement extracted from rice bran (Tsuno Foods & Rice Co., Wakayama, Japan). Bran cereal has some IP6 in it, but it is already bound to minerals. The IP6 extract imported from Japan is 70 percent unbound, ready to selectively chelate (attach to) minerals as it enters the human circulatory system.--

Jarrow uses this IP6 (and Sardi has recommended the Jarrow brand IP6).
I got the Jarrow--
haven't bothered to email Enzymatic Therapies re: where their IP6 manufactured, but their site does NOT indicate it is the IP6 from Japan.
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Postby lucky125 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:37 pm

Thanks for the info about where the supplement comes from.
I am seeing my hemotologist tomorrow. Funny thing is that I have been mildly anemic my whole life. So much for too much blood flowing thru my veins! :wink:

I am going to check with him to make sure that there is no reason NOT to try this. He may not believe, but as long as he can't give me a health related reason not to take it, I'll order it tomorrow.
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Postby L » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:26 pm

Great, thanks. I just ordered some too. Apparantly it's one of the only substances that chelates Uranium. So handy to have in the medicine cupboard. Always good to be prepared.

It chelates just about everything. Well, according to Wikipedia Magnesium, Calcium and Zinc and goodness knows what else so plenty of supplements will be needed to replace them no?

PS I just got 240 x 500mg tablets on ebay. Only £7.50.. Ebay seems to be the cheapest place to buy vitamins in the UK now. Does anyone know of a cheaper place? I used to order from the US. but if it's over £16 the customs charges, and the charge for the courier company handling the customs charges, is a pain.
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Postby lucky125 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:54 am

Shye,

I just came from my hematologist. He was intrigued by the idea of chelating the iron. He wondered, however, if any of these chelators could cross the blood brain barrier to reach the blood in our brains. Any info on that?

Also, he is having me tested for the gene for hemachromatosis.

He is considering using erythropoietin to up my red blood count. His theory is that the blood cells would suck up iron in my system, acting as a sort of chelator.

I have been borderline anemic my whole life so a little more blood would do me good. At the moment he is hesitiant about putting me on chelators for this reason.

Interesting take on this, I think. I appreciate his serious consideration of it all. I was afraid that he would dismiss me and a supplement option immediately. Love this guy!
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Postby bigfoot14 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:59 am

Lucky said

I just came from my hematologist. He was intrigued by the idea of chelating the iron. He wondered, however, if any of these chelators could cross the blood brain barrier to reach the blood in our brains. Any info on that?


That is exactly the same question I have about chelation .....

My wife is slightly anemic as well (passed out once because her hemoglobin count was so low)

I'd hate to remove the iron she needs, while leaving the iron she doesn't need in place
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Postby L » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:18 am

lucky125 wrote:I just came from my hematologist. He was intrigued by the idea of chelating the iron. He wondered, however, if any of these chelators could cross the blood brain barrier to reach the blood in our brains. Any info on that?


Green Tea does:
http://hdlighthouse.org/treatment-care/care/hdltriad/diet/updates/1253greentea.php (first paragraph)

And IP6 crosses the blood brain barrier, at least in rodents:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid (2nd paragraph of 'therapeutic uses')
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Postby NewHope » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:12 pm

Hello everyone,

I was very happy to read about IP6 here! I was about to order when I came across the following at http://www.ironoverload.org/treatment.html:

"Treatment Myths
IP-6 chelates iron. This will never work and is a waste of money.
Lactoferrin chelates iron from the body. This protein is not taken into the metabolism deep
enough to do any good. Yet this protein does protect the gut from excess iron.
Diet will reduce iron that has already been absorbed. Some have died with this approach.
Ionic-foot baths remove excess iron. The iron molecule is too large to pass through the skin.
Watchful waiting will see the ferritin reduce. Doctors risks their patients with this method.
There is no substitute for the proper protocol treatment in the face of iron overload."

I called the ironoverload org. and they confirmed. The person I spoke with was very caring and seamed to be very knowledgeable and experienced. This is confusing to me because I also read the article about IP6 posted here earlier and it said IP6 is great. By the way, that person also told me that if I have iron overload I should not take vitamin C and Tylenol.
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Postby lucky125 » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:57 pm

Newhope,

Everyone must decide what is best for him or herself. I was given positive info about IP6 from a registered dietician.

I also discussed it with my doctor.

I question the motives of the source that you cite. Their claims seem pretty "unusual". I would strongly recommend that you do more research than just one, clearly biased, website.

You can make the best decision for yourself once you have become fully informed from many sources.

Best of luck,
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Postby L » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:56 pm

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Postby NewHope » Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:58 pm

Hi lucky125,

I came across that piece of information by chance and thought it may be helpful to share it. But you are definitely right that many sources are needed and one must make one's own decision. Thanks!
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Postby L » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:41 am

NewHope wrote:Hi lucky125,

I came across that piece of information by chance and thought it may be helpful to share it. But you are definitely right that many sources are needed and one must make one's own decision. Thanks!


Thanks for sharing it!
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Postby whyRwehere » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:21 am

Help :!:
I want to read this, but it is hard to follow as it is too long for the page!!
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Postby lucky125 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:15 am

I think that L needs to shorten his link. That should solve the problem for you, Why.
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Postby NewHope » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:15 am

Dear L,

I just wanted to thank you so much about bringing up Green Tea! Generally I hate any tea!:) Well I had a cup of green tea in the late afternoon yesterday and today I am doing sooooo much better than I was during the past months!!! I feel strength and stability in my body! I couldn't fall asleep last night probably because of the late time of the day I had my tea (around 4 pm) and the caffeine contents in it. But not being able to fall asleep fast is nothing compared to the great way I feel today. Plus, that is easy to correct by having the tea earlier during the day. I hope very much this improvement will stay as I continue taking Green Tea! Thank you SO much, L!!!
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