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Venn Diagrams

Postby Gordon » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:04 pm

CHEERLEADER and All the other incredible members of TIMS
I am new here and justifiably ignored.

BUT after thirty years of engineering, with Little time to investigate MS while putting food on our table,

I feel that MS is a result of three things, Possibly stating the obvious.

Stenosis
Time
Iron content of diet especially water soluble iron.

Draw yourself a simple Venn diagram, Assign each circle one of the above.

The intersection is MAY be when MS occours.

Have a look at this please

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Multi ... HO2002.svg

and this.

http://www.who.int/vmnis/anaemia/preval ... naemia.pdf

It is the iron in our diets combined with CCSVI that causes MS.

Of note is this country, it sticks out like a sore thumb.... and is a paradox

http://geography.about.com/library/cia/ ... guiana.htm

Why do they have such a prevalence of MS when the others surrounding countries do not ???

The Geology of this nation tells the story, High in water soluble iron it looks like, and it gets into all the foods, plants etc, ( still researching). Friends of mine are from the area have have extremely high levels of iron in their blood that has alarmed their Canadian Doctors.

If you draw a venn diagram and assign Stenosis to one circle, Time to the other and Diet / iron to the third the intersection of these produces MS

The larger any one of the circles is the greater the chance of having MS. If you do not have CCSVI then you will not get Clinically defined MS. If you have a diet with no iron, you will not get MS. (this is impossible though as Iron is in everything). Time is time and you cannot eliminate that.

I have reduced iron in my diet. I have reduced Vitamin C in all forms completely becuase

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3304065

Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1987;498:324-32.

Is there a physiological role of vitamin C in iron absorption?
Hallberg L, Brune M, Rossander-Hulthén L.

Nonheme iron usually constitutes more than 90% of the dietary iron. Its absorbability is a resultant of the balance between factors enhancing and inhibiting the absorption. Ascorbic acid is the most potent enhancer, and is the same for native and synthetic AA. The enhancing effect is strongly dose related (log dose/effect), and is different for different meals probably mainly due to varying content of inhibitors in the meals. AA also increases the iron absorption from simple meals with no known inhibitor, probably because AA impairs the formation of unavailable iron complexes with ligands normally present in the gastrointestinal lumen. The effect of AA is so unequivocal and marked that it must be considered as a physiological factor essential for the absorption of dietary iron.

PMID: 3304065 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

I will somehow get the CCSVI operation.

I have to get back to work now.

Gord

PS sorry about the spelling (Cheerleader !)
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Postby shye » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:42 pm

as I said in the other thread where you posted this, this a absolutely amazing stuff Gordon To see the inverse maps-- of MS and Anemia prevalences-- is the end of the puzzle of MS. get rid of iron!!

I will start donating blood asap because of this so very clear info.

THANKS
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Also take a look at this

Postby Gordon » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:56 pm

I AM NOT A DOCTOR but his looks strange too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alzhe ... HO2002.svg
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Postby shye » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:14 pm

Interesting Gordon--I was just thinking that of course this must correlate with Parkinson's and Alzheimer's--and sure enough, you post this Alzheimer's map--you are really onto something here!

Seems eating meat just has to end. For ethical reasons, I've tried to stop eating meat a number of times, but always seem to get sick a short time after I stop--I can't eat grains, beans and milk, so do have a hard time substituting. Am currently down to one meat serving per day, but will give one more try to ending it totally--quinoa three times a day could be made palatable with a lot of innovation :roll: .
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Postby MrSuccess » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:36 pm

interesting opinion Gordon . North Pole = Magnetic field = iron deposit :idea:

just adding to your research information .

Which way do compass' point in French Guiana [sp] ? :wink:

I think the EBV angle has merit . Is there an iron factor with that :?:


Lot's of pieces in this riddle .



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