Parkinson and MS cured by surgery (but not CCSVI)

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Postby Nunzio » Sun May 30, 2010 8:24 am

Billmeik wrote:
Discovery DSALUD. Número 21. Number 21. Octubre de 2000 . October 2000.
Solution for some degenerative central nervous system.


Noda - is a perfect example. They correspond to the English expression Cerebellar Thoracic Outlet Syndrome and refers to pathological compression of the neurovascular structures that sometimes occur at the base of the neck. I will try to explain to the reader the simplest way possible: on both sides of the neck are two regions called the scalene triangle that is bounded by the scalenus anterior, scalenus medius and the rib (see picture). And in between are the subclavian artery, the brachial plexus and the vertebral arteries and internal mammary. Well, sometimes there is a neurovascular compression of these structures causing a malfunction of the nervous structures.

So much that most doctors know. But what these doctors do not seem to know and what Fernandez Noda discovered was that this compression also affects the vertebral artery causing a decreased blood flow to the brain and hindering venous return in the cranial area, causing many of the degenerative processes of the central nervous system, Parkinson's, multiple sclerosis, cerebellar ataxia, epilepsy and some cases of Alzheimer's, among others.

I took the liberty of shortening the quote and correcting the translation on the bottom half.
The point I want to make is that, as you noticed, only arteries are mentioned; the reason is that few years ago nobody paid attention to the veins. But, as you know, in our body any artery is accompanied by a vein. The other point is that if you have external pressure, as the one applied by an hypertrophic muscle, the veins are going to be affected much more then the arteries due to their lower pressure and higher flexibility.
So my contention is that Dr. Noda, with his surgery, was improving the venous return, specially from the vertebral vein, and that is the real reason MS patients improved so much after his surgery.
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Postby blossom » Sun May 30, 2010 12:31 pm

nunzio, so glad you put ctos to dr. sclafini. i'm anxious to hear his reply.
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Postby Nunzio » Sun May 30, 2010 3:29 pm

blossom wrote:i had sent the info. to dr. scalfani a couple mo. ago. well, actually i had a friend do it because of my lack of computer savy. i had talked to holly asked if they were familiar with it and asked if she would try to get it to him. i did notice the other day when it was mentioned that he asked what was ctos. so evidentally he did not get it for some reason or i figured he is so busy just working with the ccsvi issues that it somehow got overlooked. anyway, i am having trouble even getting tested for ccsvi but in my futile quest so far i have been mentioning ctos and ccsvi and took both papers to one dr. and that is my plan. but, if you think trying to get ccsvi accepted is tough well i thought the guy was gonna flip. but i figure maybe better luck next time. i would think that the ctos would require a neurosurgeon or vascular dr. like sclafini which i would think should be able to do both ccsvi and ctos. i wouldn't think that an interventional radiologist could do ctos surgery. does anyone know? i myself like i've been saying at least in my case i feel both would be the ticket. as i stated before dr.'s like noda, castilleo, scafalini and others would be a real DREAM TEAM!! hate to think of the resistance to this theory.

Hi Blossom, me too.
I want to congratulate you for the most creative way of spelling Dr.Sclafani name. In the above post you were able to call him Scalfani, Sclafini and Scafalini. That requires a lot of immagination. :lol:
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Postby Cece » Sun May 30, 2010 6:00 pm

that is cute...hope you don't feel picked on, blossom! :)
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Postby blossom » Sun May 30, 2010 8:13 pm

hey guys, don't feel picked on a bit. another thing ms has give me is big shoulders. if i were in a spelling bee i might get upset and the way my mind is and my fingers are sometimes i'm glad i even get done what i get done. it is not a perfect world we live in and i would be really out of place if i were perfect. i want to use my imagination to picture behind every post people put here-- that no matter how different intelligence wise or otherwise that there is a common goal and that is to get us a treatment that will help us all. and, hopefully we all can help one another. it did seem a lot better before the irb started shutting things down and i feel like i have to belong to an underground network to get some info. but, hopefully, that will change soon and it won't be too late for me and others that are hanging on to hope. anyway, little smarty pants, if it put a smile on your face i'm glad because i have learned the hard way that IF YOU SMILE-THE WORLD SMILES WITH YOU-CRY AND YOU CRY ALONE.
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Postby Nunzio » Mon May 31, 2010 12:56 pm

Hi Blossom,
I am glad you took my comments the right way, of course I did not mean to offend you but just to have fun together. I am sure I had my share of mispelled words since English is not my native language (I am from Zamboniland). I found an interview with a doctor who performed CTOS surgery and his comments are eerie similar to what we are going through with opposition from the medical establishment and the drug companies.
It is just a rough english translation.

José Pérez, thoracic surgeon

"Only that doctors knew already diagnosed would give a breakthrough"
5/01/2002

The interview published on September 25 in this section 'multiple sclerosis you can operate and cure"has caused such expectation, so many calls and emails, today we consulted the madrilenian doctor operated that sabadellense and which have followed so many other fellow citizens.

Educated in England, the thoracic surgeon, Juan Pérez Fernández, 69, who was Chief Surgeon for 35 years the Hospital of Cantoblanco Madrid, is the only European that follows the technique discovered by American, Fernández Noda. This results in the happiness of his patients, many of which fall to the Rochester Mahadaonda clinic in a wheelchair and go walking, and the rampant wrath of collective medical.

-His technique is to restore the blood to the brain through a cut in the scalen muscle and release the pressure to the vertebral artery ?

-More or less. But I was not I who discovered the technique, but my teacher, American doctor Fernández Noda in Puerto Rico.

- And that cure multiple sclerosis?

-I have never said that. Know to 80% of patients who come to my query to tell them that cannot operate is.

-Why?

-Either because the case is very advanced or because that injuries are already irreversible.

-Which it operates, how many are cured permanently?

-Cure is not the word. It is one thing to solve the compresivo process artery and another injury are reversible. Yes we can speak of recovery functionality.

-Do as much functionality is retrieved?

20% in the worse case and 90% in the best case.

-Does any out of its operating room worse of as entered?

-None. That for sure. In the worst case is equal.

- But some remain as the sabadellense Morón standard.

-True, although the least. Sometimes the person continues with their problems and still add more difficult situations that act as interfering focus. You know you in medicine there is no foolproof.

-The prestigious sabadellense neurologist Miguel Aguilar, says multiple esclerósis has many causes, not only the lack of brain irrigation.

- And quite rightly.

-The problem is that everyone is you take over. And the College of physicians of Madrid it is fake, what have done? you and American doctor so bad as so that no one recognizes this practice

-We have scrupulously followed the usual Protocol. We have published over ten magazines international centíficas (gives the names), included the most important, the American, The Journal Cardiovascular Surgery and JNM. And so we have exhibited in the most important congresses in Europe, Japan and USA. Interestingly, we have never found less scientific criticism.

-Because they are green.

-That Yes we found: the attack, the grievance and lies. But not just one of those who attack us has ever come to us to ask ourselves.

-The útimos twelve years spoke you almost to a hundred patients. Do any reported you?

-Not one. And what the Spanish Association of multiple Esclerósis invites them constantly to denounce me. What find me appalling, clear.

-What should out with you?

-I know not.

-What are you undermining untouchables interests?

-I will go into this not. I can only tell you that my that I just continue to do my job and help people... with tranquillity... and without insults.

-Would it really be that sufficient?

-Good not. What I would like is the doctors to learn to diagnose compresivo syndrome before any neurological injuries. Only with that already would give a giant step. But as the syndrome is not known, because nobody scans or diagnosed. And the pulse is extremely easy.

-The time playing in their favour?

-Yes because us increasingly is already accepted more than free radicals, as we have always said we are causes of brain degeneration and they are caused by ischaemia. Online are already more than 30 articles in this regard.

-What is practised this operation somewhere else the world?

-Apart from the Dr. Fernández Noda in Puerto Rico and us in Spain, there is another doctor which practised it in Japan and one in Israel.
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Postby fernando » Mon May 31, 2010 1:25 pm

Hi,

If you post the link I can translate the whole article from spanish to (some kind of) english.

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Postby blossom » Mon May 31, 2010 3:04 pm

hi nunzio, i am sooo glad these article like the one you just posted are getting out there. i have been looking up that stuff for a while too that's why i had sent the info. (to the italian doctor in brooklyn) i was hoping he would have time to look it over but boy that dr. is busy but now that more are bringing it up to him maybe he and others will take a look at it. i also talked to devin at the hubbard foundation, he was not aware of ctos but said he was going to look it up. they too are so busy just trying to get testing and treatment available. and i know i don't have the savy to name all these body parts and med. terms like a lot on this site but that's ok i have learned a lot and i admire those who can. i rely on my common sence which ccsvi and ctos just fit into so much with what i have been begging dr.'s for yrs. to check out on me. then when you find out how long this actually has been around it is really hard to swallow. then this bulls__t that is going on. let me hit on a powerball and i'd give those greedy little jerks a run for their money i know this is the wrong topic but can't help myself when you know there are people that are influential or the ms society that has the power to get us testing and treatment like yesterday and let so many people suffer. greed is the ruination of everything.
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Postby Nunzio » Mon May 31, 2010 4:57 pm

Hi Blossom,
I totally agree with you and I am glad you are instrumental in bringing up the subject to as many doctor as possible.
Is this the Italian doctor from Brooklyn you are referring to?
The surname "Sclafani" is derived from the Greek "Aesculapii fanum," meaning "Sacred to the god Aesculapius," the Greek god of medicine. This implies that the Sclafani family since its origins has been gifted in the field of medicine, and is verified by the presence of ancient thermal healing baths that still stand today in a city founded by the family, Sclafani Bagni.


Thanks to Fernando too; the site is: http://cac.drac.com/200201/20020105.html
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Postby sonia52 » Mon May 31, 2010 8:21 pm

UncleB, see your private Mailbox. I gave you the link of the Facebook of the Chilean group.

Here is another article of the journal DSalud :
http://www.dsalud.com/numero30_5.htm
Unfortunately, it is in Spanish too. I don't know if it is possible to find an English version.

The article, published in 2006, contains testimonies of people operated in the 1990's. One of them, Mrs Cottrell, was the wife of a Spanish physician.

Two years ago, one friend of mine was dx'd with MS. Before his dx, doctors checked if he had CTOS because they said that his symptoms could have been the sign of CTOS. As they found no CTOS problem, they told him that he has MS.

In Chile, they have now two surgeons doing CTOS surgery. MS people are operated every week. But Chileans are fighting to have access to CCSVI treatment too, because they want to have the choice between the surgery and angioplasty.
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Postby blossom » Mon May 31, 2010 11:49 pm

HEY NUNZIO, YEAH THAT'S HIM. READ MY POST AGAIN. IT SAID THE ITALIAN DR. FROM BROOKLYN. THOUGHT YOU MIGHT CATCH THAT. SORT OF WORDED IT THAT WAY SPECIAL FOR YOU. I THOUGHT YOU MIGHTA LIKE A THAT.
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Postby Daisy3 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:43 am

This stuff seems to be a lot more better than CCSVI.

I am getting a little concerned with CCSVI as some people are not definately reporting feelings of getting worse rather than better.

Not sure what to think really. Wanting to believe and trying to be objective. That's hard.
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Postby whyRwehere » Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:05 am

oops...posted twice
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Postby whyRwehere » Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:05 am

I think it will be a combination of things for different people...some will suffer just CCSVI and others may suffer CTOS and some may suffer both and/or missing veins. I am just very grateful for Dr Zamboni, et al bringing this to light. I am also appreciative of Dr Noda's research. It is no wonder we have learnt nothing from seeing only neurologists, because most of them do not understand and do not want to understand any vascular/arterial relationship to MS.
I am happy my husband has been liberated in his jugular...I think there are more avenues to go down. I just wish there was an upper cervical chiro (specifically) in France.
years ago, my husband would say to his neurologist that his blood pressure affected his eyesight. That it wasn't the heat of exercising that made him weak, but the pressure build up...of course his neurologist disagreed and wouldn't hear it...just goes to show, that the patient usually knows how he feels/ what affects him, and doctors should open their ears and minds.
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