A piece on Dr Dake (and Cheerleader) in The Wall St. Journal

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Postby bretzke » Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:35 pm

cheerleader wrote:coincidence??

another Stanford MS story by the same author, the same week. Bit more upbeat, I'd say. wonder why?

link to WSJ


Cheer-
I sent the WSJ reporter an email whining about his CCSVI article. He did a great job on this newer MS article. Here's my latest email to him:
"Most MS patients are of the "relapsing-remitting" type, where the disease flares up periodically and largely disappears for long periods of time. Beta-interferon, an injectable medicine that costs about $25,000 and up annually, lowers the relapse rate by roughly one-third in the half of patients who respond."

"The drug also causes flu-like symptoms like aches, fever and muscle pain that can last for hours. The side effects often discourage patients from taking the medicine as prescribed, especially since it can take two years or more before it becomes apparent if it is helping."

Tom-

Excellent coverage on the cost and relative ineffectiveness of one of the popular MS drugs.

Gutsy article for a business publication. Great job!

Thanks,
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Postby CRHInv » Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:06 pm

Wow! That new article and all its positive, happy tone makes me crazy! When I read your post Joan, I thought you meant they had reconsidered and wrote something more positive about CCSVI.
We will get there.
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Postby cheerleader » Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:39 pm

Rose2 wrote:I wish I could do something in appreciation for both of you.
Please let me know if I can.
Sincerely, Rose


Rose...by sharing your improvements here on-line and stating that CCSVI was real for you and treatment helped you- you benefit all MS patients. I don't think Dr. Dake would want anything more. (I'm pretty sure you wrote a letter in his support to Stanford already...that's something else you could do for him.)

I would only ask that you might consider going public, see if there is a local news outlet or local reporter interested in your story. The only way we can counteract the corporate media will be with thousands of personal stories of how CCSVI is diagnosed and treated. Blogging helps, too. Lew, wheelchairkamikazee, enjoying the ride, sammyjo...all have an internet presence and are getting notice.

bretzke....yeah, you summed up my feelings. After talking to this reporter for many hours, I felt sucker-punched. The only answer is going local...to doctors, to MS communities, to press, to our own neighborhoods. It's looking more and more like grass roots efforts are the only thing working. thanks, everyone-
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Postby catfreak » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:19 pm

Joan,

Do you think going to the local MS Walk and hopefully speaking to the local press there would be worthwhile? I am the only one within several states to have the procedure done. I have never done any thing like this. should I contact television or newspaper?

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Postby MrSuccess » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:42 pm

the WSJ is a business publication ....not a medical publication , such as the NEJM . Do not fret about the article nor it's author.

I am extremely satisfied that CCSVI and its lead investigators have gotten some serious ink ....and now many more people are aware of CCSVI. And perhaps the right people are now following this with keen interest.

As I have said before .....when the money people start showing interest ..you know you are on to something .

And the WSJ is the first step in that direction. Stay tuned.




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Postby L » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:01 am

Another CCSVI story in the Ottawa Citizen

It's very positive.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/tr ... story.html
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Postby Rose2 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:52 am

Hi,
I got an invitation in the mail for a local dinner put on my a Pharma for a CRAB. I am going to attend. I am hoping the set up is large round tables so I can at least speak to my small group.
I would like to get the microphone to ask a question as they ususally do, but do not want to appear to hijack it.
I think, if given the change with a microphone, that I will say I am one of the few who have had the opportunity to be have had the procedure done and my results have been miraculous.
Have any other 'Stenters' attended an MS meeting and had the microphone?
I might add I am not shy and my husband is trying very hard to script this so my feelings do not BOIL to the top.
I would appreciate any etiquette tips.
Sincerely, Rose ;)
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Postby zap » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:11 pm

cheerleader wrote:coincidence??

another Stanford MS story by the same author, the same week. Bit more upbeat, I'd say. wonder why?

link to WSJ


well, it makes much more sense now why the Stanford neuros were so enraged by Dake's work - he was undermining the big news they had brewing ...

"But this is a positive step in the right direction to helping to treat MS and other autoimmune conditions."


http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010 ... -sclerosis

Researchers know multiple sclerosis is triggered when immune cells, called T cells, attack the myelin sheathing, which insulates neurons in the body.


aaaaactually ... *sigh* when is the word going to sink into the world's head that myelin destruction and immune system involvement are late comers to the destruction parade, and that neurons are dying before the lesions even show up?
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Postby Rose2 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:01 pm

The Nature Medicine publication that is noted in Burton's 2nd WSJ article published Singh and Zamboni last year.
It appears so, or at least it is a really good link to The Journal of Cerebral Blood Flow and Metabolism.
Go to Search all issues of Nature Medicine, put in CCSVI and that comes up.
How can one read this and NOT understand?
Sincerely, Rose
But maybe I am just the last to read this. Looks like December 2009.
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Postby fogdweller » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:24 am

zap wrote:
Researchers know multiple sclerosis is triggered when immune cells, called T cells, attack the myelin sheathing, which insulates neurons in the body.


aaaaactually ... *sigh* when is the word going to sink into the world's head that myelin destruction and immune system involvement are late comers to the destruction parade, and that neurons are dying before the lesions even show up?


That is so true and may turn out to be one really big contributions CCSVI makes to MS research. If we refocus much of the research $$ toward what is really the cause of the damage and progression, we should make progress alot faster. I have had MS for 35 years and am getting a bit tired of dead ends and lack of progress.
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Postby berriesarenice » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:36 pm

cheerleader wrote:coincidence??

another Stanford MS story by the same author, the same week. Bit more upbeat, I'd say. wonder why?

link to WSJ


Here's a Globe and Mail article that addresses (rather awkwardly I might say) both the topics of CCSVI and interferon in the same article. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/hea ... le1515639/

I hope I'm not getting off topic, but this was interesting because:

1) These two topics don't seem obviously related, yet the same WSJ journalist did an article on each, and G&M combined them into a single article.

2) Globe and Mail hasn't historically been against CCSVI, nor has it been ignorant about the details. In fact it was their positive article in November that introduced me to Zamboni's ideas. In this current article they are both negative and misinformed. Their facts border on...well...on that which is not factual.

3) I don't know what to make of the G&M journalist's quote "Yet, most of the new MS research dollars may already be dedicated to getting to the bottom of Dr. Zamboni’s novel theory"
The fear of funding being "wasted" on CCSVI is an interesting angle to take, and it is one I have only heard once, and by a doc who hangs w/ the Stanford guys.

Interested in thoughts.

p.s.If I should have started a new thread, or edited details, let me know. I'll do it gladly :D
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Postby bestadmom » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:44 pm

The Globe and Mail story is the worst hatchet job I've seen. How the writer (copier and paster) could make one story from two completely different ones is beyond me. It's pointless.

I'm a Publisher, and heads would roll if my editors ever put out a story as poorly executed.
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