fun with C Rose

A forum to discuss Chronic Cerebrospinal Venous Insufficiency and its relationship to Multiple Sclerosis.

fun with C Rose

Postby sbr487 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:03 am

Here is the new gem from our friend:

"The MS Society and 99.9999% of doctors know that Zamboni's "CCSVI" and "liberation" treatment is junk science. They make noises about doing trials of it in order not to alienate hysterical MS patients convinced that a cure is being denied them, and not to jeopardize donations to the society.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2010/04/ ... alcomments#ixzz0kWrjKMft"
User avatar
sbr487
Family Elder
 
Posts: 860
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:00 pm
Location: India

Advertisement

Postby LR1234 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:11 am

HI, I can't see C Rose's comments.....only the article about Jock Murray.
LR1234
Family Elder
 
Posts: 1507
Joined: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:00 pm
Location: California

Postby Habenoughyet » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:18 am

In the comments section under the name "cardioguy"... or "idiot", whichever fits.

HEY
"Never argue with stupid people... They bring you down to they're level and beat you with experience"
User avatar
Habenoughyet
Family Member
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:00 pm

Postby ozarkcanoer » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:27 am

As a matter of fact, NO ONE really knows the validity of CCSVI and MS yet, one way or the other. Not Colin Rose or anybody. Dr Zamboni even claims his finidings are preliminary. I certainly don't know. Mr Rose just thinks he is superior in his disdain for those who advocate for more research for CCSVI. He sees himself as a lone holder of the truth who stands out from the smelly crazy masses. Socrates said the he (Socrates himself) was the wisest man (as indicated by the Delphic Oracle) because he knows that he DOES NOT know anything. Every question is up for grabs.

ozarkcanoer
User avatar
ozarkcanoer
Family Elder
 
Posts: 1273
Joined: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:00 pm
Location: St. Louis, Missouri

Postby LR1234 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:00 am

My neuro who is very very skeptical and was dead set against the idea of CCSVI being related to MS in any way wrote me an e-mail stating that at the very least there is a correlation between MS progression and CCSVI.
Not necessarily causation but a risk factor associated with MS that MUST be acknowledged.
LR1234
Family Elder
 
Posts: 1507
Joined: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:00 pm
Location: California

Postby sbr487 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:02 am

He often refers to Hippocratic oath but does not mind bad mouthing Dr. Zamboni. He also does not mind bad mouthing the whole IV community.
One sample
"Why would anyone be impressed that a group of varicose vein surgeons has decided to elevate their status from cosmeticians to experts in neurology?"

University that gave him the Dr degree should hang its head in shame ...
User avatar
sbr487
Family Elder
 
Posts: 860
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:00 pm
Location: India

Postby Habenoughyet » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:14 pm

Man, that's typical of the arrogant, pompous, condescending nature of being a neuro... It must be part of their pre-req to become one... :evil:

HEY
"Never argue with stupid people... They bring you down to they're level and beat you with experience"
User avatar
Habenoughyet
Family Member
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:00 pm

He's not...

Postby fiddler » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:22 pm

He's not even a neuro... he's a neuro wannabe. Besides, not all neuros are like that (arrogant etc) - perhaps not even many - though it does seem that quite a few on TiMS have had bad experiences with them.
...Ted
Dx SPMS in 2004.  Liberated 29/04/2010.
My blog: www.my-darn-ms.blogspot.com
User avatar
fiddler
Family Elder
 
Posts: 398
Joined: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:00 pm
Location: Fredericton, Canada

Postby Habenoughyet » Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:50 pm

I agree, I hate to cast judgment on the whole because of the few, I assume... But, I haven't ran into too many that don't display this type of sad and childish behavior.

I certainly hope I'm wrong, but I have yet to meet one that does dispel this myth.

HEY
"Never argue with stupid people... They bring you down to they're level and beat you with experience"
User avatar
Habenoughyet
Family Member
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:00 pm

Postby costumenastional » Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:33 am

I suggest to any of my fellow patients who feels like having some time for rubish to post my blog address in reply to Rose wherever possible. I spent 20 minutes of my life to write it!!! Can you imagine?
User avatar
costumenastional
Family Elder
 
Posts: 740
Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:00 pm
Location: Greece

Postby sbr487 » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:11 am

Costume, I posted this thread just for fun. My advice is not to take him seriously. I mean no one does, otherwise he would not take pains to visit every decent place and leave his comments. A capable person is also noticed, he does not have to shout to make his point ... Just read his comments and have fun. He is a nice entertainer in circus called CCSVI ...
User avatar
sbr487
Family Elder
 
Posts: 860
Joined: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:00 pm
Location: India

Postby Zeureka » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:15 am

ozarkcanoer wrote:As a matter of fact, NO ONE really knows the validity of CCSVI and MS yet, one way or the other. Not Colin Rose or anybody. Dr Zamboni even claims his finidings are preliminary. I certainly don't know. Mr Rose just thinks he is superior in his disdain for those who advocate for more research for CCSVI. He sees himself as a lone holder of the truth who stands out from the smelly crazy masses. Socrates said the he (Socrates himself) was the wisest man (as indicated by the Delphic Oracle) because he knows that he DOES NOT know anything. Every question is up for grabs.

ozarkcanoer
Yes, exactly ozarkcanoer, also Simka said it clearly and very calm in the Q&A at False Creek in March - I liked that:

Simka: "This topic is very new... the only published paper comes from Italy, and Italian doctors observed MS patients for 1.5 years after vascular procedure and they found improvements in most of the patients. However this period is rather short and we do not know what will happen after 5 or 10 years. So we cannot say for sure that it might be a treatment in the long-term, maybe yes, maybe not."
Q: "But in medicine don't you have to prove something before you start using it on patients?"
Simka: "Yes but to prove sthg you should do sthg first. And then have results." 8)
User avatar
Zeureka
Family Elder
 
Posts: 481
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:00 pm
Location: Italy

Postby costumenastional » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:16 am

sbr you are right of course. just for the fun you know?
User avatar
costumenastional
Family Elder
 
Posts: 740
Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:00 pm
Location: Greece

Postby costumenastional » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:50 am

Zeureka wrote:Q: "But in medicine don't you have to prove something before you start using it on patients?"
Simka: "Yes but to prove sthg you should do sthg first. And then have results." 8)


i have to say i loved this when i watched the interview. by far the coolest part.
User avatar
costumenastional
Family Elder
 
Posts: 740
Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:00 pm
Location: Greece

Postby Zeureka » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:20 am

Yes, costumenastional, and I in particular liked Simkas calm, satisfied, convinced, modest smile to himself when he gave this answer :)
User avatar
Zeureka
Family Elder
 
Posts: 481
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:00 pm
Location: Italy

Next

Return to Chronic Cerebrospinal Venous Insufficiency (CCSVI)

 


  • Related topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users


Contact us | Terms of Service