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What they said

Postby sbr487 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:06 am

"critical neurologists don't want to acknowledge that a vascular surgeon in Italy found something that's been right under their noses"

- Dr Dake

"I'm sort of viewed as the crazy uncle locked up in the woodshed out back."

- Dr Dake


"I think there are going to be millions of dollars spent now to follow a hoax.... "

- Mark Freedman
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Postby sbr487 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:07 am

If rolling around in horse manure makes my patients feel better, I would do so (paraphrased) - Dr. Stewart (I was not sure if I should use the title Dr but then I thought should I stoop to his level. No, I was not raised that way)
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Postby sbr487 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:25 pm

I did not say, "it is a hoax ..."
I said, "if it eventually turns out to be a hoax..."
- Dr. Mark Freedman

Can someone help me use Deep Blue so that I can try and find out the difference between the two ...
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Postby sbr487 » Wed May 05, 2010 2:53 am

"The amount of time and money which has been expended to determine the causal factors in multiple sclerosis is beyond computing ... the result has been nil"

- William Boyd
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Postby sbr487 » Wed May 05, 2010 2:55 am

"it is possible that the disease lies buried somewhere in these lengthy protocols waiting to be found by someone ingenious enough to unearth it"

- Henry Miller
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Postby jackiejay » Wed May 05, 2010 4:42 am

they (doctors) all admit they do not know what causes MS, etc.etc. ......so they are researching soooooo many "theories"...check out the MS website under research....mind boggling....at least this theory has some credibility....they should be all over it, instead of dragging their feet....maybe it is because there would be no drug companies involved...that's a sad commentary for a society that is looking for "a cure"...(MS society, i mean)
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Postby mshusband » Wed May 05, 2010 6:26 am

Money talks ...

Unfortunately for money in this case, so do the patients. If they can't out shout the drug companies and neurologists, they'll just go abroad.
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Postby sbr487 » Wed May 05, 2010 6:44 am

"we might hold a number of differing and competing views, but eventually one theory persists, and the one that "wins" does so as much by band-wagon effect as by reasoned argument, particularly when the evidence is not overwhelming"

- Thomas Kuhn
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Postby aliyalex » Wed May 05, 2010 7:31 am

"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane
by those who could not hear the music."
~ Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche ~
:P :P :P
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Postby cah » Wed May 05, 2010 9:06 am

"I think we can spoil good scientific data for the price of less wheelchaired people, can't we?" M. Simka
"There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." Socrates
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Postby Ruthless67 » Wed May 05, 2010 10:05 pm

Richard Smith, Editor of the British Medical Journal in an article titled ‘Medical Journals and Pharmaceutical Companies – Uneasy Bedfellows’ wrote in 2003

How did we reach a point that so many doctors will not attend an educational meeting unless it is accompanied by free food and a bag of goodies? Something is wrong and medical journals are a part of what is wrong.
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Postby sbr487 » Wed May 12, 2010 8:52 am

Reaction to Edison's light bulb invention:

"Such startling announcements as these should be deprecated as being unworthy of science and mischievous to its true progress." -Sir William Siemens, England's most distinguished engineer

"The Sorcerer of Menlo Park appears not to be acquainted with the subtleties of the electrical sciences. Mr. Edison takes us backwards. One must have lost all recollection of American hoaxes to accept such claims." -Professor Du Moncel

"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction." -Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology France,

"I laughed till. . . my sides were sore." -Adam Sedgwick, British geologist in a letter to Darwin in regards to his theory of evolution,

"People don't like to see or hear things that conflict with their deeply held beliefs or wishes. An ancient response to such bad news was to kill the messenger" - Aronson

Stage 1, skeptics proclaim that the idea is impossible.

Stage 2, skeptics reluctantly concede that the ideal is possible, but trivial.

Stage 3, the mainstream realizes that the idea is more important than the trivializing scientists in authority lead them to believe.

Stage 4, even the skeptics proclaim that they knew it all along or even that they thought of it first (P.243). - Dean Radin

Full article is here: http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/supress1.html
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Postby sbr487 » Thu May 20, 2010 9:08 am

 It has been known for a century that there are abnormalities in  central veins in MS ... The intervention focusing stenting the extracarnial veins draining the brain ought to be studied under carefully designed and fully approved experimental protocols so that we maximize our understanding, and either prove or disprove Zamboni's hypothesis

- Dr Lawrence Steinman    


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Postby sbr487 » Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:59 pm

Max Planck:

"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it"
A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it
- Max Planck
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Postby Johnson » Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:05 pm

"Don't let your pre-occupation with reality stifle your imagination"

NASA recruitment motto
My name is not really Johnson. MSed up since 1993
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