scorpion wrote:Bob why do you say that it seems certain that everyone with ms has ccsvi. That is not what the results of the Buffalo study seemed to show. A correlation yes but 100% correaltion no.
Hmmm. there is just more news about that...have a look on the new TIMS threads..
And I have even now stopped checking more news - it will not change anything except confirming more of the existing findings...that CCSVI and MS are linked IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT !
And not only link CCSVI -MS, but also related to some improvements - there are certainly some - and these are not miracles but improving quality of life on certain symptoms and will depend in strength and type from person to person (depending on type of MS + venous insufficiency...and whether more recent or longer myelin damages - but improved brain oxygenation when opening a jugular is logical anyway...)
Think one good example on type of improvements (and also summary of % links found CCSVI-MS) are the Kuwait research initial samples, which can be found here:
(but these do in no way stand alone - also Simka, Zamboni and others reported similar improvements - and MRI checks are/have also been done in some trials to check differences. In general it has been observed from different doctors that have performed percutaneous venoplasty on MS patients that had CCSVI diagnosed via doppler and/or MRV+veno/angiography, that the less disabled and long-term damages, the more chance for improvement. And restenosis was in many cases linked to recurrence of symptoms).
For me already convincing on all what has until NOW been published from research in Kuwait, Poland, Italy, States ecc...so far. And all the multiple testimonials that have heard from all these different places in the world from patients in videos, written texts, e-mails, articles, TIMS, facebook testimonial pages in Italian, English and other languages/discussions and life on the phone by talking to people etc...even patients in Italy from several years ago taking part in Zambonis first trials, who at the time did not even understand what CCSVI was precisely and should do to them...
AND even more importantly: some doctors/professors that undertake CCSVI research and/or took part in the trials recently and saw the improvements with their own eyes - they say they have been overvwhelmed stimes...
=> all this for me personally is already convincing enough! And the placebo effect argument starts to get a really ridiculous issue...sorry...it is just a nice way to attack/defend the other position, and just shows that all the scientific and observational proof that already EXISTS is neglected!! And the political/economic reasons for this turn me really off...we are worth 8 billion US$ on the world market to a certain sector...and there is much speculation to "drive the market upwards" on basis of a "rising disease prevalence/expanding patients population/widening healthcare provision for MS" forecast from 2010-2025!
Well, they also mention technological advances, but CCSVI is still neglected in that forecast I guess