CCSVI and BP

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CCSVI and BP

Postby sbr487 » Tue May 11, 2010 6:53 am

I have been having high BP since 5 years now. Once CCSVI came up, I started thinking whether my BP was due to it. Then there are some people who seem to say that they have low BP.

Does anyone know how our body responds to decreased intake of blood in a particular part?
1) does the body automatically adjust to the new blood volume requirement and start pumping less?
2) does it result in same volume of blood, which means that some parts gets more blood as the outflow in some parts (brain in case of MS) has decreased.

One good example is what happens when a persons body part gets amputated. Does this result overall reduced blood flow (as seen from outflow from heart)?
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Postby 3girls » Tue May 11, 2010 7:14 am

I'm interested in this as well. I have always had low blood pressure and a low resting heart rate. I exercise but not enough to justify a heart rate "like a marathon runner" as different health care providers have noted.
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Postby BBE » Tue May 11, 2010 7:34 am

Since there are so many different cases (our is high resting rate and low BP) I think there is no explanation at the moment. Is there any research on BP and heart rate in connection to MS progression?
EDIT: But to your questions I think in case the blood gets stuck somewhere in part of the body, less blood returns to heart and the heart either increases the pressure or increases the rate to solve the problem. That`s how I understand it.
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Postby Donnchadh » Tue May 11, 2010 10:11 am

My blood pressure has been climbing over the years, and I have SP MS.

Part of the rise is due to gaining weight, mostly fat.

However, immediately after my liberation procedure was finished they took my BP. It dropped by 38 points! It stayed about 30-40 points lower for the next 5 days. I felt much, much better.

Unfortunately, starting on the 6th day post-op the BP started to rise. By the next day it back to where it was pre-op.

The old cycle of fatigue and sleeping turning the day has resumed. There's nothing I can do about it. Just have to hold out until I can re-do the procedure but with stents this time.

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Postby sbr487 » Tue May 11, 2010 10:43 am

Donnchadh wrote:My blood pressure has been climbing over the years, and I have SP MS.

Part of the rise is due to gaining weight, mostly fat.

However, immediately after my liberation procedure was finished they took my BP. It dropped by 38 points! It stayed about 30-40 points lower for the next 5 days. I felt much, much better.

Unfortunately, starting on the 6th day post-op the BP started to rise. By the next day it back to where it was pre-op.

The old cycle of fatigue and sleeping turning the day has resumed. There's nothing I can do about it. Just have to hold out until I can re-do the procedure but with stents this time.

Donnchadh


What can I say, that really indicates that CCSVI/MS is causing so many of these problems ...

That has been my case. BP since 35 years (40 now) but controlled by medicine. My weight rises even if I dont exercise even for a week. I am able to hold on to 95 kgs with 45 minutes of exercise. Many times, people wonder how I am still fat despite I exercise daily for 45 minutes. What do they know about MS ...
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Postby Nunzio » Tue May 11, 2010 3:09 pm

This is my version: the brain is a smart organ.
When the brain realize it has not enough flow it makes the heart pump faster or stronger to raise our blood pressure to compensate for that.
Since doctors think they are smart too, they give us blood pressure medication which decrease our blood pressure(and flow to our brain)
Then symptoms of MS start or get worse and this is the reason I think we have more MS cases now then in the past when blood pressure medication were not available.
That is what happened to me: my MS started after my doctor placed me on blood pressure pills.
I wonder how many of MS patients are taking blood pressure medicine too.
Just a wild idea.
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Postby ndwannabe » Tue May 11, 2010 3:13 pm

Maybe I have not had MS for long enough, but my BP is (and always have been) around 110/70, sometimes 120/80.

Classic case of a "healthy person". :roll:
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Postby Nunzio » Tue May 11, 2010 3:16 pm

Donnchad wrote:
However, immediately after my liberation procedure was finished they took my BP. It dropped by 38 points! It stayed about 30-40 points lower for the next 5 days. I felt much, much better.

I think that is what happened to you; after liberation treatment the blood flow to your brain increased and your heart did not need to pump as hard to keep up the flow. That is why your blood pressure went down.
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Postby sbr487 » Tue May 11, 2010 8:03 pm

Nunzio wrote:This is my version: the brain is a smart organ.
When the brain realize it has not enough flow it makes the heart pump faster or stronger to raise our blood pressure to compensate for that.
Since doctors think they are smart too, they give us blood pressure medication which decrease our blood pressure(and flow to our brain)
Then symptoms of MS start or get worse and this is the reason I think we have more MS cases now then in the past when blood pressure medication were not available.
That is what happened to me: my MS started after my doctor placed me on blood pressure pills.
I wonder how many of MS patients are taking blood pressure medicine too.
Just a wild idea.


Very much a possibility. My BP started few years after my MS. The DR was very surprised that I have BP at that young age. But medicine were important to avoid kidneys being screwed ... what a mess ...
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Postby Donnchadh » Tue May 11, 2010 8:41 pm

Nunzio wrote:Donnchad wrote:
However, immediately after my liberation procedure was finished they took my BP. It dropped by 38 points! It stayed about 30-40 points lower for the next 5 days. I felt much, much better.

I think that is what happened to you; after liberation treatment the blood flow to your brain increased and your heart did not need to pump as hard to keep up the flow. That is why your blood pressure went down.


You might be right. I once was concerned about chest pains and had an ultrasound scan of my heart done.

The image was amazing...there was absolutely no plaque buildup at all. The arteries were completely clear.

I think what is happening is that the venous system is impaired and the blood return rate is slower then what is required. The heart has to increase pressure to maintain the minimum blood flow required.

Whenever I feel any shortness of breath, I take a few drops of co-enzyme Q10 for immediate relief.

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