Donnchadh wrote:Cece wrote:Donnchadh wrote:Bear2 wrote:A venogram costs about 10,000 in US.
Where? You could PM me if you don't want it public. $10K is bargain basement pricing.
I heard from someone who had the procedure done in New York that they were charged $15K, to their insurance company.
Was that just for a venogram? Or did include treatment also?
Donnchadh
People with mild MS do not go to Poland or Bulgaria or Stanford for treatment but they stay at home and wait for the science to play out. People who can't afford the treatment do not take these routes either and many of them are severely disabled and wouldn't go to Poland. There are no controls among the patients. If BNAC found 20% of controls have CCSVI then maybe that is good information. It isn't clear what the distribution of people are in BNAC's 58% (or is it 62%) OR in the 40%.
I am ready to run out and be liberated as much as anybody but don't say BNAC is doing sloppy research because YOU DON'T KNOW. Dr Zivadinov is going out on a limb and risking his reputation in order to study CCSVI. If he doesn't give you the results you want that's your problem. I support BNAC 100% !!! Who else is doing double blinded CCSVI studies ?
Billmeik wrote:Really it's not ok. They have degraded the effort made all over the world by other docs. I think the numbers will be higher in the next 500 and that proves even more how out of line it is to publish 60.
ozarkcanoer wrote:There is a lot of bias in Dr Simka's patients and in Dr Sclafani's patients and in Dr Dake's patients. Goodness gracious I love all three of these brave doctors so this is NOT a slam against them. In all three of these cases the patients selected and elected to have the procedure and the physician knew they had MS ! People with mild MS do not go to Poland or Bulgaria or Stanford for treatment but they stay at home and wait for the science to play out. People who can't afford the treatment do not take these routes either and many of them are severely disabled and wouldn't go to Poland. There are no controls among the patients. If BNAC found 20% of controls have CCSVI then maybe that is good information. It isn't clear what the distribution of people are in BNAC's 58% (or is it 62%) OR in the 40%.
I am ready to run out and be liberated as much as anybody but don't say BNAC is doing sloppy research because YOU DON'T KNOW. Dr Zivadinov is going out on a limb and risking his reputation in order to study CCSVI. If he doesn't give you the results you want that's your problem. I support BNAC 100% !!! Who else is doing double blinded CCSVI studies ?
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