Pubmed study by Neuros on CCSVI

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Pubmed study by Neuros on CCSVI

Postby NZer1 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:12 pm

Here is the link, I would be interested to hear your opinions,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20386873
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Postby garyak » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:23 pm

Would this abstract suggest that only ultrasound was used to determine ccsvi? Also I feel that the level of invasiveness is not like they are talking about brain or open heart surgery here.
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Postby mshusband » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:30 pm

I don't know why neurologists would be messing with a vascular condition.

Neurologists aren't performing arterial or heart surgery ... and vascular surgeons and interventional radiologists aren't prescribing CRABS drugs ...

there's a reason for that - it wasn't their specialty in medical school.
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Postby Billmeik » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:35 pm

n our cohort, only 20% of the patients fulfilled the required neurosonological features of CCSV



that says it all. If you only find 20% you are going to draw conclusions based on that.
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Postby BELOU » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:36 pm

20%... They should have done something wrong because it can't be possible that others have close 100% with he same technique. German should stick to mechanics... not CCSVI.
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Postby muse » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:57 pm

That bunch of neurologists is actually the complete advisor board of the German MS-Society and the “study” is more as junk science. Better don’t ask me how I would call that sort of physicians. Btw I’ve read the full paper/trash and some times ago it was already topic at TIMS. ;) [update: http://www.thisisms.com/ftopict-11224.html]
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Postby Salvatore24 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:02 pm

Interventional Radiologists should be performing the scans, and the procedure. Neurologists should be documenting a patients condition before and after treatment (EDSS, MRI scans). Neither should get involved in each others field of work.
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Postby NZer1 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:00 pm

Arnie have you heard of any published papers that have come out lately, well since the UKMS Society media release. The Neuro on the panal talked about a paper being published in the next two weeks, I presume it will be from Neuros that he said disproves CCSVI? Link to UKMS webcast
http://www.voiceprompt.co.uk/mssociety/ccsvi/#
its on 54:26 minutes into the web cast.
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Postby muse » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:12 pm

No Nigel, actually not sorry. Please have a look: http://csvi-ms.net/content/publications ... -sclerosis . That’s all I know about new papers. We try our best to keep the site up to date but…...
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Postby belsadie » Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:18 am

It's wonderful...NOW "results" like this with their erroneous conclusions are obviously info that is dismissed quickly after reading it. No more passive audiences. The days of putting the "poor disabled" in the corner and shoving lies down our throats are OVER........The cat is out of the bag and their GOOSE IS COOKED [sorry for the animal references..my dog is clawing at my leg for attention]
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Postby concerned » Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:33 am

Blood flow to and from the brain is a matter of utmost importance to neurologists?
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Postby L » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:36 pm

belsadie wrote:It's wonderful...NOW "results" like this with their erroneous conclusions are obviously info that is dismissed quickly after reading it. No more passive audiences. The days of putting the "poor disabled" in the corner and shoving lies down our throats are OVER........The cat is out of the bag and their GOOSE IS COOKED [sorry for the animal references..my dog is clawing at my leg for attention]


Good animal references!
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Postby cocochanel » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:53 am

These "doctors" need to go to Poland and get some training. They obviously tried to put the Ikea cupboard together without reading the instructions. I realise Ikea is Swedish and not German, but it's an experience that most Europeans have gone through...

Also: Love the comment that Germans should stick to Mechanics. Vorsprung durch Technik!
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Postby cah » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:28 am

Actually, dilating veins is far more "mechanic" than treating the immune system. ;)

I don't think there's a difference between a german naysaying, biased neuro and, let's say, a canadian naysaying biased neuro.
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