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Postby mshusband » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:08 am

concerned wrote:I think you meant 180^, but you have an engineering degree from a highly accredited institution, plus a high paying job and I don't have either, so you're probably right.


Nope ... it's 90^

Think about it ... when the leg is straight down when you're standing that's 0^.

If each leg were to go 180^ it would be over your head in both directions. That's not a split., that's some sort of cirque du soleil trick.

Once again, I'm right ... you're wrong.

The sooner you get it through your head it's like that about everything, the better of we'll be.
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Postby concerned » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:56 am

When executing a split, the lines defined by the inner thighs of the legs form an unusually large, 180 degree angle. This large angle significantly stretches, and thus mandates excellent flexibility of, the hamstring and iliopsoas muscles. Consequently, splits are often used as a stretching exercise to warm up and enhance the flexibility of leg muscles.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_(gymnastics)

Can't figure out a way around those brackets so copy and paste it if you care...
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Postby concerned » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:03 am

I like how many articles there are on the internet about doing 90^ splits :D

I understand what you meant, but I'm right. Splits seem to be measured by which angle the legs make, not how many degree's each leg moves.


EDIT: You must be pretty flexible as well, judging from how easily you can put your foot in your mouth...
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Postby laura383 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:43 am

I agree with debp very much--it's like lobbyists and politicians. There woulnd't be lobbyists (or drug reps) if it wasn't useful to someone, didn't make financial sense to the ones footing the bill.
Of course doctors want to help. But they are only human. People tend to go in the direction of familiarity. It's worth it to foster that familiarity over time to once in a while get the support that's desired. For whoever is paying for the fostering.
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Postby 1eye » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:07 pm

Day is done...
Gone the sun...
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Postby 1eye » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:30 pm

Wasn't this supposed to be about no free lunch doctors? Anybody contact them?
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Postby concerned » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:37 pm

I'd agree, and this is a topic that I'd be interested in... it's just the trolls like Mshusband that'd ruin everything for everyone who'd advocate for open discussion about MS.
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Postby mshusband » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:12 am

That's fine ... you get your wish "concerned", I won't hold back your "debate" ... but only because my wife is getting her veins opened Monday morning, and there is no need to "debate" this anymore. Not with all the results/videos/stories out there ... call them anecdotal all you want ... to the people who have had this procedure done ... they are real, have you personally talked to or seen anyone who has had this done (in real life not the internet?) I have ... I'd love to see you tell that person what they can do now that they couldn't before is "anecdotal and/or placebo".

Good luck with your mother ... I hope she gets all the anecdotal benefits she can handle one day and then you have to question if it's placebo or not to her face.

But I'd ask the crowd to vote on whose posts they would rather read ... I think you'll find you might get 5 votes and I'd get a significant amount more.


ALSO for everyone else, I won't be posting for a while. For anyone who wants to know how wifey's doing after the procedure and has privately PMd me ... we'll keep in touch. If you haven't PMd me and want to know how she's doing ... well, feel free to ask.


There are treatments starting in places you guys wouldn't believe - I know for a fact of one MAJOR new hospital doing their first one Monday morning (and no it's not my wife). IT IS POSSIBLE to go local (best part is in the states this IS covered by insurance - 100% in our case and the case of the new place doing it Monday). You just have to keep at it.

I'm not at liberty to say where though (like I said, it's not worth sending this information out on the internet for some people to read - and I don't mean "concerned" nor anyone else necessarily - I mean people who don't even register here - people who have a sunk-cost already invested and want CCSVI to fail so that cost isn't lost) - I wish I could, but I keep my promises ... and please don't ask me which doctor we're going to either. It is being 'paid forward' through the proper channels though be assured.
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Postby mshusband » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:03 am

One last thought before I sign off and we start our liberation journey.

I want to thank you (many of you) - you know who you are for helping us get to this point. 8 months ago I didn't even know what MS was. 6 months ago I'd have said stem-cells are how MS will be beaten, and now I know CCSVI makes too much sense that it is going to be the future. I've literally spent 4+ hours a day researching CCSVI, talking to doctors, learning all I could, reading medical papers. CCSVI is going to be a huge breakthrough. Just wait and see ... again, if the MS Societies aren't serving your interests and you really believe that, don't give them the time of day ... give to a charity that will listen to you (like the CCSVI Alliance). Don't forget that the MS Society does do some good ... but when any organization loses focus on what's best for its members in hopes of making more money ... it is time to move on to bigger and better things.

Thank you for getting me to the place where we had 3 options in several states within 3 weeks of one another for doctors to do the treatment, and I know of 5 others doing the treatment behind the scenes that many on this board and other boards don't even know about.

My advice is be active in searching out doctors - IRs and Vascular Surgeons. They ARE willing to help if you ask. Maybe not all of them, but get them interested - keep them interested. Even if you choose another doctor in the end, they will help someone else! (I know that for a fact, I've been there).

I am not abandoning CCSVI by any means. I'm going to be around to raise funds, both for the CCSVI Alliance, Dr. Sclafani (to get him back to plumbing) and most importantly to make sure each and every one of you who has helped me, gets treated as well ...

That said, I do promise to help you all ...

I'm not going to discuss doctors with anyone until after Monday (when my wife gets treatment) - and since we're vacationing next week probably the week after that ... but after that, I will point you all in the right directions so you can be treated as well. It's all I can do to "pay it forward" like someone did for me when I first came to TIMS. Thanks MB and others.

On that note, it's time for me to sign off ... you guys have been great. Keep fighting, CCSVI is IT. There will be more to learn, but it's going to change the way doctors learn about MS and how it's treated (it already has).

There are going to be those who decry you as insane in regards to CCSVI ... but know they want their loved ones treated for it. Isn't that odd? Keep fighting ... the ball is rolling and it's picking up speed.

Again, for those who we've PMd back and forth, I'll be in touch ... for those who we haven't but are interested ... I want to help each and every one of you ... so keep in touch.
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Postby Trish317 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:16 am

Sending you and your wife prayers and good thoughts....
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Postby sbr487 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:16 am

good luck, man. Your wife is lucky to have someone like you as her care taker ...
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Postby 1eye » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:47 am

you people are just religious nuts worshipping junk science.
it's not proven
it's experimental
it's not nice
it could be fatal
it probably smells awful
it's underdone
it's illegal and alien
it dresses funny
more research
more research
can't you hear me? I said MORE RESEARCH is needed
YOU need it
I need it
where are you going?
listen, stop and listen
I said, more research is needed
you can't leave, I'm leaving first
I was the fucking walrus, Paul wasn't the fucking walrus
Dave? Dave? I can't see you, Dave...
blub, blub, blub
whostolemyspacebar?
ifidontcomeoutwithmyhandsupimcominginafterme...
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Postby sbr487 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:15 am

I am not sure if there is any point in responding to few people who are clearly posting with an agenda. There are better things to do and joining argument with these guys is definitely not one of them ... just forget about them ...
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Postby blossom » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:12 pm

mshusband, have a safe and successful journey. good positive thoughts and prayers to your wife and you.
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Postby HappyPoet » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:28 pm

mshusband, as you and your wife prepare for your journey, I want to repeat what I said to you back on Jan. 29, 2010: http://www.thisisms.com/ftopic-9998-0.html

HappyPoet wrote:Best of luck to your wife. You're a terrific husband.

I can't tell you how happy I am to see your dream come true.

~Pam
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