cold water swimming and CCSVI

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cold water swimming and CCSVI

Postby L » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:14 am

Antonello thinks there's a link.

I originally posted this on the youtube before/after videos but, on reflection, it's a bit out of place there. So I removed it. But very interesting all the same..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfQx6HgcEIs
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Postby AlmostClever » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:22 am

funny, i actually tried cold water in my shower last night after seeing this, but it's so dam hot here the water was only about 70 degrees! I think it has to be colder than that!!!

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Postby L » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:29 am

AlmostClever wrote:funny, i actually tried cold water in my shower last night after seeing this, but it's so dam hot here the water was only about 70 degrees! I think it has to be colder than that!!!

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Maybe it has to be salt water too? Perhaps Mediterranean salt water????
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Postby AlmostClever » Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:50 am

L wrote:
AlmostClever wrote:funny, i actually tried cold water in my shower last night after seeing this, but it's so dam hot here the water was only about 70 degrees! I think it has to be colder than that!!!

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Maybe it has to be salt water too? Perhaps Mediterranean salt water????


All we have here is the BP oily Caribbean stuff! :cry:
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Postby Billmeik » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:18 am

I mean getting hot gies symptoms but that doesnt happen much here in the north.
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Postby malden » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:39 am

The electrical resistivity of conductor decreases gradually as the temperature is lowered. Same case with neurons (conductors of neurologic informations). In MS neurons myelin sheath is damaged and signal is loosing - weakening. Muscle didn't got the whole information what to do (contract or expand?). If you lowered temperature, conductivity increased and more information is preserved traveling from brain to leg muscle, for example.

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Postby sbr487 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:40 am

Malden wrote:The electrical resistivity of conductor decreases gradually as the temperature is lowered. Same case with neurons (conductors of neurologic informations). In MS neurons myelin sheath is damaged and signal is loosing - weakening. Muscle didn't got the whole information what to do (contract or expand?). If you lowered temperature, conductivity increased and more information is preserved traveling from brain to leg muscle, for example.

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The theory is that damaged myelin is cutting off the signal travelling across neurons. Are you saying that myelin performs better at lower temp than at higher temp?

Of course, I have been always intrigued by one thing that even when temp is cooler during morning times, I still have symptoms which are more severe than in evening. So, it looks like temperature is just one parameter. Could it be also the way our immune system function varies through the day?
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Postby AlmostClever » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:55 am

sbr487 wrote:
Malden wrote:The electrical resistivity of conductor decreases gradually as the temperature is lowered. Same case with neurons (conductors of neurologic informations). In MS neurons myelin sheath is damaged and signal is loosing - weakening. Muscle didn't got the whole information what to do (contract or expand?). If you lowered temperature, conductivity increased and more information is preserved traveling from brain to leg muscle, for example.

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The theory is that damaged myelin is cutting off the signal travelling across neurons. Are you saying that myelin performs better at lower temp than at higher temp?

Of course, I have been always intrigued by one thing that even when temp is cooler during morning times, I still have symptoms which are more severe than in evening. So, it looks like temperature is just one parameter. Could it be also the way our immune system function varies through the day?


I was thinking about how I'm worse in the mornings also (in another thread about why symptoms seem better at night).

Maybe it's because we are inactive while we sleep and or muscles get tight? Plus I tend to get warmer when sleeping under a blanket...
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Postby malden » Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:36 am

sbr487 wrote:The theory is that damaged myelin is cutting off the signal travelling across neurons. Are you saying that myelin performs better at lower temp than at higher temp?....


Not exactly. Myelin is just cover (isolation) on neurons (wires). If isolation is weak, then you lost signal along way. Myelin doesn't performs better at lower temp... but neurons (conductor) do.

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Postby annad » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:42 pm

Funny, I keep saying I feel better when I'm on vacation. Guess what I do when I'm on vacation. . . . swim in salt water.

I have to go in the water gradually because the shock of the cold on my skin makes my legs give out from under me and I do a not-so-graceful face plant.

Interesting.
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Postby BalsaBoy » Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:05 pm

I don't know if it's available in the US or Canada but I tried something called Cryotherapy in Wexford, Ireland, in 2007. You enter a small chamber that's been cooled to minus -110 C with only shorts shoes and cotton socks and earmuffs. You walk around in circles (with crutches in my case) so you're not frozen to the spot. The maximum you're allowed is three minutes. I survived for 2 mins 17secs. The theory is the same as the ice baths that some sports people use to help heal injuries faster in that the rapid cooling and heating contracts and expands the blood vessels rapidly and it's meant to be like rebooting your circulation or something. It wasn't a miracle cure or anything but I could lift my feet higher for a few weeks after it. Maybe this is what's happening to a lesser degree to those who feel better after swimming in cold water?
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Postby Cece » Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:26 pm

8O Ok I will now start calling January in MN 'cryotherapy'!! Although I have never felt at risk of being frozen to the spot. Interesting that it did help your MS symptoms for awhile. Makes you wonder.
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Postby silverbirch » Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:28 pm

Ive had migraines for 15 years untill an attack 2009 , that was my first lesson on MS bla bla since attack never had another migraine !!!!

But for all them years I used approved frozen sports packs I placed one on top of my head the other at back of neck along with counter meds Immigrain . Freezeing my head for me was the best relief. Funny I also got this pain in my right nostril in the last 3 years. As I say Ive not had another migraine since attack weir I haad them for decades

Ive since read immigrin can cause brain lesions
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Postby Nasti » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:25 pm

This is very interesting and intriguing. After my CCSVI, last week, there was a sudden drop of temperature (from 39 to 15 during the day), and that particular day I felt great!!! The day before that I couldn't walk in a streight line. This is totally opposite to pre CCSVI - unlike most MSers who react to warm weather, I used to have symptom increase in cold, spasms, spacticity...
I also feel better at nights.
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