fiddler wrote:concerned, the possibility that someone in your "sham procedure" study would have a miraculous recovery would hardly prove liberation to be ineffective or should be stopped, only that some people CAN improve due to placebo effects, something that has been known for decades.
fiddler wrote:For now, treatments aren't even being allowed for compassionate reasons.
I say give 10 people sham treatment under propofol, but don't tell them it's part of a study.
P.S. -- somebody here described the placebo effect in magickal terms ("mind over matter") but a more rational definition would be "CNS over CNS, PNS, organs and limbs".
Cece wrote:I think your idea could work. Want to post it in Dr. Sclafani's thread and get his opinion?
1eye wrote:concerned: I am concerned that whoever you are, you do not sound very concerned. I am afraid of what you do sound like. What sounds like it matters to you more is that you have an opportunity to be in on some sham scam. How would one patient out of ten be of significance to any discussion? It begins to sound like toothpaste commercials of old, where we heard the common statistic about that proportion of people. Except in those, only swaying buying masses by the latest sales technique was intended.I say give 10 people sham treatment under propofol, but don't tell them it's part of a study.
I am getting very concerned about the ethics of this wee discussion. Have you also talked to the police department about this? Why don't we, while we're at it, advertise a cure for cancer, starting with ten people, and give them each a pacemaker? If anyone claims to be cured of cancer, we will have proven placebo exists!
Please tell me this is a joke. I do not want my opinion of my fellow human beings to be so low. Why don't I see any smiley faces? If this is some king of social-networking form of entrapment I don't find it funny.
I think people who have some form of ethical morality should be the only ones allowed within a hundred miles of a scientific study. Some people around here are beginning to sound, shall we say, more sadistic than scientific?
I could be wrong. It might be just the latest criminal fad, like date-rape. You really should consult with your local law enforcement first. I knew all the states had different laws, but wow!
I am getting to be very concerned for your mother. Another thing that scares me is that your obvious preference for, and belief that the CNS is the most important "part" of the body, leads me to think that you think that it has some kind of "magickal" power over the rest, via the famous placebo effect, or perhaps by design.P.S. -- somebody here described the placebo effect in magickal terms ("mind over matter") but a more rational definition would be "CNS over CNS, PNS, organs and limbs".
Sounds more like walking upright. Why can't other animals do this magick? Has the brain evolved so far as to be able to perform feats of healing never seen in 150 years? Amazing. And I thought *I* didn't get out much!
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