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Chelation Therapy

Postby Hockeydad » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:27 am

My close friend recently returned from his Liberation in Poland. He's RRMS, and says that he feels "100%" better. He had heard of Chelation Therapy while there and has started it. From the outside looking in, it looks reasonable. He's claiming that he feels better, but I don't think that he can separate open veins from Chelation. Anyone?
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Re: Chelation Therapy

Postby Donnchadh » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:03 pm

Hockeydad wrote:My close friend recently returned from his Liberation in Poland. He's RRMS, and says that he feels "100%" better. He had heard of Chelation Therapy while there and has started it. From the outside looking in, it looks reasonable. He's claiming that he feels better, but I don't think that he can separate open veins from Chelation. Anyone?


There's two ways to do chelation therapy: via IV drips or oral administration. Typically an artificial amino acid EDTA is used as the chelation agent. It was created decades ago, and the only existing FDA approved use for it is the removal of lead. It basically "captures" metals and minerals from the body and they are secreted by urination. EDTA differentially captures metals; meaning some are are more readily chelated then others. Unfortunately, free iron is near the bottom.

The IV drip has the advantage of much higher absorption rates as it being directly injected into the blood stream. Oral intake has drastically lower intake rates compared to IV drips; only about 5%. It also takes about 24 to 36 hours for the body to absorb each dose. However, the IV drip requires a doctor approval and staff to actually administer the EDTA resulting in high costs-$150 a treatment is not uncommon. Usually a course of 14 to 21 (or more) treatments are recommended. Few insurance policies will cover chelation therapy as it considered to be controversial and unproven.

An oral dose consists of mixing EDTA power into water, and bottoms up. The cost is very inexpensive. However it is absolutely essential to take the correct amount of EDTA per dose as overdosing can cause internal problems. Most practitioners recommend taking a maximum of one gram per one hundred pounds of body weight. If you don't know the difference between a kilogram and a milligram and don't have an accurate scale, this is definitely not something you should try.

Other possible iron chelation agents are IP6 and green tea extract.

Typically an iron chelation program consists of taking a dose, then skipping a day before the next treatment. Supplementation with minerals is usually recommended because EDTA will strip all metals and minerals so you need to replace them.

Removing deposited iron I personally think is crucial for recovery per CCSVI theory. You need to do both: correct the underlying vascular disorder and try to get rid of deposited iron.

All of the above is just the personal opinion of someone who is definitely not a doctor, so do your own research and seek medical advice.

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Postby Cece » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:04 pm

What is he doing for chelation therapy?

I've been using green tea for iron chelation (it crosses the BBB) for many months now, with no noticeable effect. :)
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Postby Hockeydad » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:18 pm

He's doing the IV drip. Had to pee in a bottle , then mail it to some lab. It is expensive, around the 150.00 per session. You mention green tea, is that used for iron extraction? I'm such a guy :oops:
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Postby Donnchadh » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:20 pm

Cece wrote:What is he doing for chelation therapy?

I've been using green tea for iron chelation (it crosses the BBB) for many months now, with no noticeable effect. :)


Cece,

Are you using green tea extract or just drinking tea? The amount of the chelating agent in a regular cup of green tea is minuscule compared to the concentrated quantity in the extract.

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Postby Donnchadh » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:26 pm

Hockeydad wrote:He's doing the IV drip. Had to pee in a bottle , then mail it to some lab. It is expensive, around the 150.00 per session. You mention green tea, is that used for iron extraction? I'm such a guy :oops:


Yes, green tea extract is used for chelating iron. How effective it is when compared to EDTA I don't know (more? less?). Considered to be relatively safe therapy when taken in the correct doseage amounts-again you mustn't overdose.

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Postby Cece » Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:13 pm

Yes, I've been taking 2 green tea extract pills a day but, no, I don't honestly expect to be able to feel better because of it. :) Just a general good MSer health thing to do, as long as there is reason to believe that MSers have iron build-up in the brain.
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Postby Bear2 » Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:30 pm

I did the Clelation therapy by way of suppositories a couple years ago. I tested my blood before and after. My heavy metal load was not real high. After the course the blood test showed some reduction in mercury, but it was not very high to start with.
It made no change in my symptoms.

I did the blood tests and clelation through this outfit.

http://www.detoxamin.com/catalog/index. ... ex&cPath=2



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Postby blossom » Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:24 pm

i did the iv drip chelation for about 4 mo. unfortunatly i fell and broke my leg and with that and paying out of pocket it was so hard to keep going i quit. but i was pretty high in most metals -the highest in aluminum and cadium. i have read that most msers are high in those. i thought it was not only to clean your veins and arteries but it helped draw it out of where it might be deposited. i really felt no different but i think it could be a benefit if used longer term. as said there are cheaper ways that would take longer. i don't know if it would actually draw out the iron deposits. anybody know? iron was not on the list of metals they tested me for and there was a long list of stuff.
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Postby shye » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:54 pm

Elmer Cranton MD is the "father" of Chelation--IV EDTA.
in 2005, he states:
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It is also possible that EDTA acts to restore physiologic concentrations of nutritional metals that are known to accumulate in diseased organs. EDTA can act to remove essential trace elements from areas of excess, redistributing them in a physiologic balance throughout the body. Current research points in that direction

from: http://www.drcranton.com/chelation/EDTA_Mysteries.htm
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