White Coat Black Art on CBC Radio: Sat. Sept 11, 11:00 am

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White Coat Black Art on CBC Radio: Sat. Sept 11, 11:00 am

Postby Blaze » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:39 am

Dr. Brian Goldman will launch the new season of White Coat Black Art this coming Saturday, September 11 (what a terrible day!) at 11:00 am. We're the topic for his season opener!

On its website, (www.cbc.ca), CBC says "We're taking on the Zamboni protocol...It's a story that pits patient power against the highly entrenched views of the neurologists who treat MS. The more hype over the procedure, the less those doctors want to have anything to do with it. But, are doctors right to argue against spending dollars doing research on an unproven treatment? Or, are they putting their egos in the way of progress?"

This should be fascinating. Check it out on your local CBC station. For our US friends, I think those close to the border can pick up CBC. Maybe also in some states. Or, perhaps on the web.

The feds may have written us off, but Canadian media certainly hasn't!
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Postby PointsNorth » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:10 pm

Thanks Blaze,

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Postby erinc14 » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:16 pm

Wonderful ! Thank you very much !
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Re: White Coat Black Art on CBC Radio: Sat. Sept 11, 11:00 a

Postby 1eye » Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:44 pm

Same guy mentioned CCSVI (did not sound positive about it) phenomenon on someone else's science show.
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Re: White Coat Black Art on CBC Radio: Sat. Sept 11, 11:00 a

Postby Billmeik » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:37 pm

Friday April 15, 2011Comments10Recommend4 |

MS Zamboni: Here We Go Again
Here we go again! New research is casting doubt on a controversial treatment for Multiple Sclerosis. Italian physician Paolo Zamboni pioneered the so-called "liberation therapy". It's based on the theory that blocked or narrowed veins are a main cause of the disease. Zamboni's M-S treatment is a type of angioplasty that has anecdotally improved symptoms in some patients. But now a study done at the University of Buffalo is raising some serious questions about the blocked-vein theory.
In an article published this week in the journal Neurology, researchers from the University of Buffalo set out to determine the prevalence of chronic cerebrospinal venous insufficiency or CCSVI in 289 patients with MS compared to 163 normal subjects and 26 people with other neurological diseases. They were tested with transcranial and extracranial colour Doppler which is an accepted and non-invasive way of checking for blood flow in the veins draining blood from the brain to the heart.

Fifty-six percent of the patients with MS met the criteria for CCSVI - much less than the one hundred percent or so of the patients with MS in Zamboni's original study. Zamboni used five ultrasound criteria that have yet to be validated and reported that CCSVI can distinguish patients with MS from those who do not with something approaching one hundred percent sensitivity and one hundred percent specificity. Not only that, Zamboni's research published in 2009 in the Journal of Vascular Surgery, led him to suspect that CCSVI might be the cause of MS. The current study's conclusions make it highly unlikely that CCSVI is a primary cause of MS. That said, the researchers offered the possibility that CCSVI may contribute to the symptoms of MS.

The other result that will be disturbing to Zamboni treatment proponents is that blockages were also found in 23% of the normal subjects (i.e. no MS and no other neurological disease). Given the fact that as many as one in four normal individuals have CCSVI, it's entirely possible that CCSVI is not in any way associated with the symptoms of MS.

To researchers and others who are intellectually curious about the role of CCSVI in MS, these findings are highly significant. The study was adequately powered, rigorous, and well designed. Moreover, it follows smaller studies that have likewise cast doubt on Zamboni's original findings.

The implications appear to be clear. If CCSVI is the cause of MS symptoms, then angioplasty makes sense. But, if the CCSVI cannot be tied directly to MS symptoms, then it's hard to recommend a potentially risky procedure.

Since the study's publication earlier this week, I've spoken to a number of patients with MS who don't know what to think about the results. Likewise, I'm uncertain what to say to patients who have undergone angioplasty and have felt better consistently ever since. There are three possible explanations. The first is that for some reason, the treatment worked. This would not be the first time that a treatment worked and yet science was unable to explain why. A second possibility is that patients who feel better have benefited from a placebo effect. If that is the case, then the benefits should wane over time.

There is a third explanation that bears mention. MS is a disease that robs patients not only of their muscle strength but also of their will. Many MS patients speak of feeling like prisoners of their disease and of the medical system. I can well imagine patients feeling better following angioplasty - not because the treatment worked - but because going for it boosted the patient's sense of control over MS.

The current study will not derail the search for answers. As of June 2010, MS Societies in Canada and the U.S. have awarded seven grants totalling more than $2.4 million to study CCSVI. In addition, a final evaluation of the treatment cannot take place unless and until we see the results of prospective, randomized controlled clinical trials that take patients with both MS and CCSVI and randomize them to receive angioplasty or a matching placebo. As well, it can't be overstated that patients in such a study can only be evaluated using objective criteria by blinded observers who do not know whether the patient received angioplasty or not. In an accompanying editorial also published in Neurology, Fox and Rae-Grant exhorted fellow physicians to "neither jump on the bandwagon as it passes through town nor assiduously miss the parade."
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Re: White Coat Black Art on CBC Radio: Sat. Sept 11, 11:00 a

Postby Billmeik » Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:00 am

So this thread was probably started on a newer wcba than the one I posted above. I uh can't find it. Does anybody have a hard link to it?
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Re: White Coat Black Art on CBC Radio: Sat. Sept 11, 11:00 a

Postby 1eye » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:17 am

Isn't all of this old news? Listen to Dr. Zivadinov in Times Square. He doesn't sound as doubtful as that thing makes out. I think he says it's enabled by viral infections, genetics, environment, smoking, etc. He also plugs Ginkgo Biloba.
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