TGA and IJV valve incompetence

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TGA and IJV valve incompetence

Postby sbr487 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:11 pm

The paper studies the role of IJV valve incompetence in TGA.
I think one of the Dr is the one who came out with -ve study of CCSVI.

http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/76/4/509.abstract

Whether he is trying to disprove venous connection to TGA or he is trying to do an open minded study is not clear to me ...
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Postby sbr487 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:14 pm

Interestingly, some other studies show more % than what Dr Doepp found:

http://stroke.ahajournals.org/cgi/conte ... 9.566315v1
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Postby 1eye » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:51 am

It sounds to me like a gradual grudging acceptance of the reality that cerebral blood flow, and including venous flow, can have a major effect on neurological symptoms and status.

Also sounds a bit like he's trying to do a reverse Zamboni (maneuver made famous in the 1984 Olympic games - or was it 1948?).
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Postby cheerleader » Tue Sep 14, 2010 8:14 am

Chung's research has been discussed on here many time-
Here's one thread:
http://www.thisisms.com/ftopicp-85603-c ... ular#85603

the search function is great to use before posting a new thread--
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Postby cheerleader » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:23 pm

One eye has informed me that the Chung paper link isn't working on the old thread I referenced.
I found another link to the complete paper which should work so that you can download the PDF

link to Jugular Venous Reflux paper

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Postby sbr487 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:25 am

This is another interesting article. What is also interesting is that this article says that valve incompetency can be induced?

Its also interesting to note that even with similar issues, some end up with MS and some with TGA.

Of this group, more than half (52%) stated that they had sustained an activity that could be associated with a Valsalva maneuver, including sexual intercourse


Lot of questions unanswered but I hope Dr. Z's work will open flood gates in new research direction ...
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Postby sbr487 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:30 am

surprise!!!

Here is Dr. Doepp who has published paper on PEH and IJV valve connection:

http://cep.sagepub.com/content/28/2/182.abstract
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Postby Cece » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:00 am

sbr487 wrote:What is also interesting is that this article says that valve incompetency can be induced?

I haven't had time to read the article, but I also find it interesting; in the legs, in chronic venous insufficiency, valve blow-out occurs from the force of the backed-up blood.
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