CCSVI vs auto-immune

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Only a blind can miss this but Ms. Aglukkaq did!!!
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And the Oscar for best short documentary goes to:

Mary Bereskoff for Who Will Stop Discrimination and Pain.
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now, that lady puts it out there just like everybody here has felt and knows what basically is going on. watching her with this chart-explaining-reasoning in such a simple way that a 3rd grader could grasp it.
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I would just to point out that the title lead to confusion. Autoimmune and CCSVI theories are not competing and both can be truth at the same time. And probably both are. The title suggest that they are exclusive and therefore is misleading.

Maybe something like "pure autoimmune" vs. CCSVI would be more exact.
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Post by rainer »

Reductive, biased, and paranoid.
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well worth the time to listen to.

simplicity is always welcome .

Let's see .......... stop blood flow INTO the brain ...... and the result is disasterous ....... stop blood flow OUT of the brain .... and it's no big deal . :roll:

How in hell can anyone argue with Dr. Zamboni's discovery .....




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EXCELLENT VIDEO !
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Careful what you say about teachers. They are very good conflict resolvers, and some of them whack your hand with a ruler.

I suppose your credentials are better?
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1eye wrote: I suppose your credentials are better?
I don't suppose it matters what my credentials are since I haven't posted an "educational" video on youtube........although if anyone with a camera and a spiel is an expert I guess maybe I should make a CCSVI video.
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Is it just me or have others noticed the increased volume of silly and stir - the - pot posts ..... since the announcement of Dr. M 's 600 person CCSVI Trial in Albany NY ? :?:

The upcoming ECTRIMS conference and Buffalo NY study ..... seems to have certain people ...... foaming at the mouth ...... and they seem to be giving it one last hurrah ...... at discrediting CCSVI .

Long time TIMS people ...... know the names ..... and their predictable points of view.


Better to focus on the opinions and discoveries of those great scientific minds ...... and ignore the '' full mooners ''



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MrSuccess wrote:Is it just me or have others noticed the increased volume of silly and stir - the - pot posts ..... since the announcement of Dr. M 's 600 person CCSVI Trial in Albany NY ? :?:

The upcoming ECTRIMS conference and Buffalo NY study ..... seems to have certain people ...... foaming at the mouth ...... and they seem to be giving it one last hurrah ...... at discrediting CCSVI .

Long time TIMS people ...... know the names ..... and their predictable points of view.


Better to focus on the opinions and discoveries of those great scientific minds ...... and ignore the '' full mooners ''



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is that a promise that you will leave cry babies alone? :D
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so please do ignore me completely!
no problem .
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CCSVI according to Dr Zamboni himself is NOT in conflict with the autoimmune hypothesis of MS. Everyone should watch the CTV W5 documentary over and over, especially the interviews with Dr Zamboni. It is a great disservice to Dr Zamboni not to listen to him and remember what he says. "Of course MS is autoimmune. We have proof !!!". It makes me a bit angry that people forget everything Dr Z has said. Someone should post some more myths about CCSVI. We should listen to Dr Zamboni, not some youtube video. This is NOT us vs them !!!! This video is scientifically worthless.

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