CCSVI vs auto-immune

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CCSVI vs auto-immune

Postby sbr487 » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:37 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbCR8SZFNKg

Only a blind can miss this but Ms. Aglukkaq did!!!
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Postby welshman » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:14 am

And the Oscar for best short documentary goes to:

Mary Bereskoff for Who Will Stop Discrimination and Pain.
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Postby blossom » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:35 am

now, that lady puts it out there just like everybody here has felt and knows what basically is going on. watching her with this chart-explaining-reasoning in such a simple way that a 3rd grader could grasp it.
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Postby frodo » Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:10 pm

I would just to point out that the title lead to confusion. Autoimmune and CCSVI theories are not competing and both can be truth at the same time. And probably both are. The title suggest that they are exclusive and therefore is misleading.

Maybe something like "pure autoimmune" vs. CCSVI would be more exact.
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Postby rainer » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:08 pm

Reductive, biased, and paranoid.
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Postby MrSuccess » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:11 am

well worth the time to listen to.

simplicity is always welcome .

Let's see .......... stop blood flow INTO the brain ...... and the result is disasterous ....... stop blood flow OUT of the brain .... and it's no big deal . :roll:

How in hell can anyone argue with Dr. Zamboni's discovery .....




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Postby erinc14 » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:43 am

EXCELLENT VIDEO !
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Postby Lyon » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:57 am

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Postby 1eye » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:03 pm

Careful what you say about teachers. They are very good conflict resolvers, and some of them whack your hand with a ruler.

I suppose your credentials are better?
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Postby Lyon » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:00 pm

1eye wrote: I suppose your credentials are better?
I don't suppose it matters what my credentials are since I haven't posted an "educational" video on youtube........although if anyone with a camera and a spiel is an expert I guess maybe I should make a CCSVI video.
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Postby MrSuccess » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:13 pm

Is it just me or have others noticed the increased volume of silly and stir - the - pot posts ..... since the announcement of Dr. M 's 600 person CCSVI Trial in Albany NY ? :?:

The upcoming ECTRIMS conference and Buffalo NY study ..... seems to have certain people ...... foaming at the mouth ...... and they seem to be giving it one last hurrah ...... at discrediting CCSVI .

Long time TIMS people ...... know the names ..... and their predictable points of view.


Better to focus on the opinions and discoveries of those great scientific minds ...... and ignore the '' full mooners ''



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Postby sbr487 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:13 am

MrSuccess wrote:Is it just me or have others noticed the increased volume of silly and stir - the - pot posts ..... since the announcement of Dr. M 's 600 person CCSVI Trial in Albany NY ? :?:

The upcoming ECTRIMS conference and Buffalo NY study ..... seems to have certain people ...... foaming at the mouth ...... and they seem to be giving it one last hurrah ...... at discrediting CCSVI .

Long time TIMS people ...... know the names ..... and their predictable points of view.


Better to focus on the opinions and discoveries of those great scientific minds ...... and ignore the '' full mooners ''



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is that a promise that you will leave cry babies alone? :D
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Postby Lyon » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:17 am

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Postby erinc14 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:13 am

so please do ignore me completely!

no problem .
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Postby ozarkcanoer » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:52 am

CCSVI according to Dr Zamboni himself is NOT in conflict with the autoimmune hypothesis of MS. Everyone should watch the CTV W5 documentary over and over, especially the interviews with Dr Zamboni. It is a great disservice to Dr Zamboni not to listen to him and remember what he says. "Of course MS is autoimmune. We have proof !!!". It makes me a bit angry that people forget everything Dr Z has said. Someone should post some more myths about CCSVI. We should listen to Dr Zamboni, not some youtube video. This is NOT us vs them !!!! This video is scientifically worthless.

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