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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:43 am

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 929674.DTL

FONAR Corporation (NASDAQ-FONR), The Inventor of MR Scanning™, reported today the cessation of symptoms in a 41-year-old female patient with multiple sclerosis following noninvasive treatment. The treatment was based on a recent major diagnostic breakthrough about the cause of multiple sclerosis achieved with the advanced FONAR UPRIGHT® MRI.

Melville, NY (PRWEB) November 02, 2011

Misaligned cervical vertebrae in the patient (specifically, the vertebrae in the neck known as C-1, C-2, and C3) were causing blockage of the flow of cerebrospinal fluid. The malrotations of these vertebrae were initially discovered and visualized by the FONAR UPRIGHT® MRI, which showed that the vertebrae were rotated 5-6 degrees from their normal alignment.

When the vertebrae were successfully realigned, the patient's symptoms subsided. The realignment was achieved by Dr. Scott Rosa, (Rock Hill, NY), using the noninvasive Atlas Orthogonal (AO) instrument, a device that can be used to tap the vertebrae back into normal alignment.

The patient is currently being maintained free of her MS symptoms, (vertigo and vomiting on recumbency) when recumbent, by weekly treatment with the AO instrument.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... z1cZxjtwst

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... z1cZxTNSMc

Enjoy, Nigel
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:29 pm

http://halfhollowhills.patch.com/articl ... n-melville

Damadian’s studies reveal that since anatomic tubes within the brain produce large amounts of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF), an obstruction may result in a build up of pressure within the ventricles, causing them to rupture and leak the fluid into the surrounding brain tissue. This leakage, he suggests, could be responsible for generating the brain lesions of multiple sclerosis.

Damadian and co-researcher, David Chu, discovered obstructions of the CSF flow in all eight patients in the study and, in seven out of eight patients, the obstruction was more pronounced when the patient was in the upright position. The UPRIGHT® MRI also revealed that these obstructions were the result of structural deformities of the cervical spine, induced by trauma earlier in life.

The complete study that led to the diagnostic breakthrough in multiple sclerosis can be accessed at the company website at: www.fonar.com/pdf/PCP41_damadian.pdf

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Taurus » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:03 pm

Hi Upright Doc

My lumber Spine report says following:

"At L‎5‎/‎S‎1‎ level‎, ‎mild spinal canal stenosis in the left‎-‎paracentral region with moderate to severe ‎
compression and posterolateral displacement of left S‎1‎ transiting nerve root and moderate to severe ‎
left and moderate right foraminal stenosis due to mild disc bulge associated with moderate ‎
left‎-‎paracentral disc fragment extrusion dissecting caudally and hypertrophy of facet joints‎.‎
At L‎4‎/‎L‎5‎ level‎, ‎mild bilateral foraminal stenosis due to mild disc bulge‎, ‎hypertrophy of facet joints and ‎
ligamenta flava"‎.
Recent Study with Open MRI suggests that CSF flow blockage could be the cause of MS. Can u please guide me what r the treatment options available to me to resolve the above stated problems. Thanks
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:57 am

Hi Taurus,
You have degeneration of the last two discs in your low back and calcification (hypertrophy) of their associated joints. The combination of disc and joint degeneration has caused narrowing (stenosis) of the openings between the segments of the spine where the nerve roots exit.

I became interested in a career in chiropractic after I herniated the L5/S1 disc on the right. There is nothing quite like sciatic nerve pain to get your attention. While in practice I successfully treated many cases of severe low back and leg pain due to injuries and degeneration of the lumbar spine. None of my patients ever went for low back surgery. I also treated patients with failed surgical back syndrome in which they got worse after surgery.

For correction I used manual adjustments and pelvic blocks to restore motion and function to the bad segments. I used electrical stim or ultrasound to decrease pain and swelling. If necessary I would follow up for several weeks or months as needed of special traction and spinal decompression tables to rehabilitate the bad segments. These table intermittently pump the bad segements to move fluids in and out of the joints and cartilage and to stretch the connective tissues and break up adhesions (scar tissues) that cause tethering of the segments.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Sunnee » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:52 am

Uprightdoc,

I am just so heartened and excited by the new upright MRI this is the start of something great, when it is realised that misallignments of cervical spine can cause of so many problems it will be brilliant. and then it will be "game on"

now that is a kickoff I cant wait to see.

And Civickiller I'll by the hotdogs ok.

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby DrKoontzDC » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:47 am

Hello Everyone,

I've been away for a while focusing on my office. I'm very happy to see that this thread is still alive and well with Dr. Flanagan leading the way. I heard about the results of the UpRight MRI and wanted to post the information on it here but it seems that Nigel is on top of things as usual and beat me to it ;)
Just in case it has a little more information I'll still post the link I have for it.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/prwebCSF-Multiple_sclerosis-ms/FONAR_UPRIGHT_MRI/prweb8929674.htm

I hope everyone is doing better!

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:36 am

Hello Dr. Koontz,

The comment below was posted on my wordpress blog. I recommended the patient take their daughter to see you. Hopefully they did. They are fortunate to have someone in Greece let alone Athens.

Dear Dr Flanigan,
I read with great interest your blog. I started to get interested in UCC by looking at the website of Dr Erin Elster , member of IUCCA. She proposes alternative chiropratic therapy to treat quite a few diseases , just like the Doctors certified with NUCCA. But my attention was turned specifically towards her case study on Tourette syndrome children. After researching on the subject, my wife and I came to the conclusion that most of the causes and explanations for the Tourette syndrome (TS) are still very much unknown and unproven and the research and applications that she came up with make the most sense. Indeed , considering Tourette as a structural-reflex disorder due to some kind of structural deformity brings a whole new definition to the symptoms and a new way of treating it. Especially that none of our respective families had cases of Tourette or Tic disorders.

Our daughter , 7 years old, has just been diagnosed with a complex tic disorder. These symptoms started about 2 months ago now, and translate into many different tics (motor and vocal,not necessarily all at the same time). By adding up all the pieces of the jigsaw that we had in front of us, we also remembered that she had a couple of head trauma in the last summers (early June 2009 and 2010.. June doesn’t seem to be her most opportune month!) Last year (June 2010) she fell flat on her face , breaking her two frontal (milk) teeth in the process. These teeth are yet to grow again and at this stage. But we started thinking that, a consequence of this trauma could have been an internal derangement of the upper cervical spine, or perhaps some sort of misalignment of her mandible to the skull base. Two American orthodontists (Dr Brendan Stack and Dr Anthony Simms) have made serious in-roads into TS and other Motor tic disorders and the link of these conditions with internal derangments of the TMJ. All of this is of course hypothesis, since at no point any scan/ imagery was taken. The only imagery done was an X-ray of the upper/lower jaw (at the time of the accident) to make sure that no fracture was present.

Do you have any thoughts on the application of Upper cervical care therapy as a treatment of TS ? Now we re very curious to explore that line of thought and put it in practice by consulting a certified chiro, but our other problem is that we re based in Athens, Greece. I saw in some of your previous exchanges with Spiros that Dr Koontz was mentioned. Would you stil recommend him? I would really like to consult with a chiropractor equipped with the latest diagnosis equipment as in Paraspinal Digital Infrared Imaging, Paraspinal EMG Scanning, and Precision Laser-Aligned X-ray because I would think that this new equipment can isolate and diagnose the efficacy of the UCC treatment before even starting it. It can tell us : yes there is some obvious structural problem with her spine, or misalignement , and therefore THIS could be part of her problems, or helping reducing the intensity.Also I would feel more comfortable by working with a chiro using the old Palmer school touch method. On that basis would you still recommend Dr Koontz or would you have alternative chiropractor based in the “vincinity” of Greece? (I think I remember you mentioning some italian Dr in your blog. AlthoughI I am not familiar with what to expect with the sort of treatment and care needed , but if it would require frequent follow-up , I suppose it could be difficult to work with someone based far away from home. Thank you very much for your work , and I look forward to your feedback and suggestions.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby David1949 » Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:05 pm

The FONAR findings are interesting. The article says; "the vertebrae were rotated 5-6 degrees from their normal alignment". Does that mean rotated about the vertical axis of the spinal cord? If so, is that something that a UCC doctor could see in the x-rays they take with a new patient?
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby DrKoontzDC » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:04 pm

David1949 wrote:The FONAR findings are interesting. The article says; "the vertebrae were rotated 5-6 degrees from their normal alignment". Does that mean rotated about the vertical axis of the spinal cord? If so, is that something that a UCC doctor could see in the x-rays they take with a new patient?


Hello David,

Yes, If the proper x-ray views of the cervical spine are taken it is possible to see the rotation.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby DrKoontzDC » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:42 pm

Hello Dr. Flanagan,

Thank you for the referral. They brought their child in to see me just over a week ago. I'll send you an email this weekend.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:40 pm

DrKoontzDC wrote:
David1949 wrote:The FONAR findings are interesting. The article says; "the vertebrae were rotated 5-6 degrees from their normal alignment". Does that mean rotated about the vertical axis of the spinal cord? If so, is that something that a UCC doctor could see in the x-rays they take with a new patient?


Hello David,

Yes, If the proper x-ray views of the cervical spine are taken it is possible to see the rotation.


Hi Dr. Kroontz,
I think that it would be good if you could describe what xrays are required so that when I or anyone goes for xrays we know what we are asking for and getting what is required to asses this.
I have found from personal experience that Chiro's who do their own xrays are confused when asked for these types of xray, they ask for specifics.

Good news about the Fronar findings, have you any thoughts for studies given what we are all learning, particularly about CSF flows?
Even if it doesn't relate to Chiropractic treatments in the first instant, I believe that there will be a connection.
Too many studies have an objective when they are started, if there were studies to define the 'fault'
(eg. MS and Neuro-de-generative diseases), then find the cause and solution, there would be allot of appreciative suffers. We can see that there is a problem with alignment for instance, what we need to understand is how this plays out in life. Recording incidences of 'injury' throughout ones life time and looking at the effects in latter life would have to be one step in the right direction.

Imagine if there where xrays or Upright MRI taken as routine as we grow and develop and then an assessment of the outcome?

Even in a small time frame people with 'problems' could be assessed and that information pooled and understood.
If there was less individualism in 'Practices' it would enable data capture.
Instead of gathering info for Government purposes, it could be for wellness!
I'll stop now!

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby DrKoontzDC » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:37 am

Hello Nigel,

Here are some links that show & briefly describe the x-rays as well as some alternative imaging techniques using MRI and CT.

This page covers a Nasium and a Vertex view:
http://www.humberparkerson.com/DrPOct06.htm

This page from [url]UpCSpine.com[/url] covers not only x-rays but advanced imaging techniques using MRI and CT:
http://www.upcspine.com/anatomy6.htm

This page covers the Base Posterior and Protracto view x-rays commonly taken by Upper Cervical Chiropractors who use the Blair technique. It also mentions Stereo views which is the practice of taking x-rays in a way that allows the Chiropractor to view the x-rays in 3-D with the aid of a specialized x-ray view box.
http://www.blairchiropractor.com/services.html

While certain x-ray views are common to each technique ultimately each Chiropractor decides which views he wants to use in his practice.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:56 am

Thanks Dr K,
So what are 'the' ones we need to ask for?
From memory there are usually 4 that are taken per time, whether that is with a Chiro or at a Hospital. I haven't looked what you have sent, I have made and assumption that it has not been specific to my need.
I am wanting to know what to ask for from a radiologist if they are asking me what I want from them.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby DrKoontzDC » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:36 pm

Nigel,

Besides the A-P Open Mouth (APOM) and Lateral Cervical the other imaging methods discussed in those other links can all show rotation. However, just because they can take the picture doesn't mean they can interpret it correctly. That is why I listed all of them. You can mention all of those views and they can pick which they are more comfortable taking as well as interpreting.

So the x-rays for rotation are Vertex, & Base Posterior. Base posterior is most often accompanied with taking Blair Protracto views since those enable the precise viewing of the Atlanto-Occipital condyles. Then you have the Advanced Imaging techniques such as 3-D MRI, regular MRI and CT. Here in Greece it is quite common for people to bring in MRI's or CT's so I'm always looking to see if it's possible for me to determine which way the Atlas has rotated off of them.

Hope this has helped.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

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