CCSVI and CCVBP

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:15 am

As far as length length discrepancies are concerned, it's all relative. Leg length discrepancies can be due to many causes. Muscle tension in the paraspinal muscles is one cause. I do leg length testing supine and prone. In the prone position I used left and right head rotation and a Derefield cross check with knees bent to look for pelvic involvement. Leg lengths are just one part of the picture. It would be information overload for the ortho.

Your mind experiment is very good. The motion of atlas is fairly straight forward. Mostly it is for connection. Axis and the rest of the spine do most of the fancy footwork. Atlas mostly nods but it also slips left and right depending on which way you tilt your head. If you tilt left it slips to the right.

Schools of specific upper cervical correction focus on the static components of the misalignment. In other words, they endeavor to specifically measure the strain position of the upper cervical spine in three dimensions. Both AO and NUCCA include the upper and lower cervical angles in their formulation for laterality. Once they have their factors the set up to apply a counter straining force along specific vecors. The objective is to relieve the strain. They use leverage to make the correction. Misalignment of a twelve pound ball on top of the atlas and upper cervical muscles can create a significant strain. In addition to musculoskeletal stress it can also cause a dissociation of fluid flow between the cranial vault and spinal canal. I don't use a static approach anymore. I use a dynamic approach based on range of motion and other factors. I use counter strains and elastic components of the spine to restore function to joint mechanics more than just correcting alignment.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby HappyPoet » Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:21 am

Dr. Flanagan, would you please come out of retirement and start to practice again?
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:16 am

Thanks for the compliment Poet. My goal is to eventually educate other doctors and professionals who are interested in learning some of the unique approaches to craniosacral, upper cervical, acu-tens and TCM I have developed based on my research.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:11 pm

Well that's a positive if ever I heard one,

Train people to think and perform above what they assume! :)
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:58 pm

Thanks Nigel. When the teacher is ready the students will be there. Right now, the teacher isn't ready.

You would make a great guest speaker at the NZ chiro college. You could cover the theory and practice of Zamboni's CCSVI, my theory of CCVBP, the role of specific upper cervical, venograms, upright MRI, Cine MRI, and the role of infections and autoimmune-inflammatory conditions in MS and other neurodegenrative conditions. I am sure that you know far more than anyone at the school about what is going on in current research and treatment. You might light a fire under some tail bones.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:53 pm

HaHa,
Sounds like you are trialling a new treatment for NPH where you compliment someone so that their head swells and relieves CSF pressure, could be good for Chiari as well ;)

The Students eg HP, Bloss and myself are here!
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby HappyPoet » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:30 pm

Dr. Flanagan, spreading your knowledge among doctors is a most laudable goal - the more patients who can benefit, the better, but if for some reason you ever change your mind, let us know!

Nigel, I think you should do as Dr. Flanagan suggests and put together a guest-speaker presentation - you'd be terrific!
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby blossom » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:39 pm

i think we have to get dr. flanagan cloned somehow. BUT, there would still be the one and only.

dr. flanagan, are you sure you wouldn't want to come out of retirement long enough to treat us 3 musketeers. we would make great poster patients.

would that be neat or what?-------hey, we're allowed to have wishful thinking.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:03 am

Good morning, Nigel,
You know the subject better than most doctors and certainly more than enough to get the consversation started.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:49 am

NZer1 wrote:...Sounds like you are trialling a new treatment for NPH where you compliment someone so that their head swells and relieves CSF pressure, could be good for Chiari as well...


Your wise butt comment shows you know your stuff.

I am not suggesting that you do a lecture on anatomy, physiololgy, pathology or clinical sciences. I am saying that you could present yourself as a patient with a great deal of knowledge about current research and treatment for neurodegenerative conditions, as well as personal experience. You know more than most doctors and students about the subject.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:37 am

Nice post Dania. The technology available today is incredible and it keeps getting better.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:44 am

HappyPoet wrote:... the more patients who can benefit, the better, but if for some reason you ever change your mind, let us know!

Nigel, I think you should do as Dr. Flanagan suggests and put together a guest-speaker presentation - you'd be terrific!


HP,
We will discuss your case regarding pain and spasms when I'm back in the hood.

I second that emotion regarding Nigel.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:59 am

blossom wrote:... are you sure you wouldn't want to come out of retirement long enough to treat us 3 musketeers. we would make great poster patients...


Thanks for the compliment. I wish I did, but unfortunately I don't have any magical cures. I do have some interesting insights and methods to share, however, based on decades of research that can help with treatment and management of MS and co-morbidities.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:05 am

NZer1 wrote: ... Sounds like you are trialling a new treatment for NPH where you compliment someone so that their head swells and relieves CSF pressure, could be good for Chiari as well...


Not to take away from the wittiness on bit, but merely for technical edification, please note for future referenes that brain swelling increases intracranial CSF pressure. I'm sure you knew that. I like the comment just as it is. Your witty remark shows you get it.
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