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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:00 am

:) I did, just couldn't think of a short and precise way to word it!

Have a great day, I will. ;)
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby HappyPoet » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:51 pm

uprightdoc wrote:HP,
We will discuss your case regarding pain and spasms when I'm back in the hood.
Sounds great and is very much appreciated. Thank you. Do you know when you'll be back (so we don't worry)?
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:36 pm

I will be here in the ether form as usual but physically back in the hood in a month or so. We will still be working while away as we are in the middle or working on many things.

I just just got a rejection back from my editor. I was supposed to do final read through before the page on the thalmus is published. Not leaving well enough alone, which I am not noted for by the editorial staff, I tried to slip in a few extra lines, no more than a paragraph, maybe two, but not much. It was on the middle fossa. It's a terrific topic but it was digitally tossed back to me with a few choice words attached telling me to leave it out and leave the finalized version alone. So I guess the page won't get published until tomorrow. Atrophy of the thalamus is a fascinating but tough subject to explain in light of faulty cranial hydrodyamics. The middle fossa is susceptible to some interesting problems similar to the posterior fossa. So far the page has been handed back to me several times and I detect a not so subtle crescendo to the attached comments. As it stands the page has been broken down into about four pages or so, maybe a little more, but not by much. I think I better leave it alone this time.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby blossom » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:19 pm

quote dr. flanagan:

Thanks for the compliment. I wish I did, but unfortunately I don't have any magical cures. I do have some interesting insights and methods to share, however, based on decades of research that can help with treatment and management of MS and co-morbidities

dr. flanagan, if you had a "magical" cure that would be the greatest. but, what you do have is something that very few "if any" chiro.'s and dr.'s have. "you got the package deal". because of your extensive research, the learning curves you created, your own health problems to compare, your wife being a chiro. giving you first hand at being the test tube baby on some of your developed techniques, your tcm knowledge-i could keep on going. but, i feel your love of what you do and your level way at life in gen. puts you in a catagory of your own. look at how long you have been here with us too. you are genuine. -- all chiro.'s are not equal.

now, with that said--even though you have no magical cure--i feel if you had been treating me from the get go--i would be much better off than i am today. and, i feel that towards my fellow musketeers too.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:48 pm

Thanks Blossom. You're pretty good at this yourself.

You musl leave doctors scratching their heads after hearing your take on bones spurs, CSF flow and MS. You are way over their heads when you start talking about: spurs affecting fluid mechanics in the cranial vault and spinal canal and its impact on the brain and cord; the role of local tethering of the cord in Lhermitte's sign due to adhesion of the bone spurs to the dura mater of the cord; and well as the dynamic cervical myelopathy (cord irritation) you experience with head flexion and how head extenison and the bat position you experimented with to test for its impact on strength causes improvement in your strength. It was a good hypothesis and experiment. It's something the doctors need to consider. There is a reason for the Lhermitte's sign and positional changes in strength. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby blossom » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:56 pm

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby HappyPoet » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:11 pm

Dr. Flanagan, I'm looking forward to your second book. You explain difficult topics in a way that makes sense and is easily understandable. You might be interested to know that cheer's husband, Jeff, had reversal of thalamus gray matter atrophy - was this regeneration of neurons?

general-discussion-f1/topic19418-15.html#p203431

blossom, I agree with Dr. Flanagan - you know more than most doctors know!
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:35 pm

Thanks Poet and Blossom for the compliment. I just have a head start.

Interestingly, I just published the page on the thalamus. I was forbidden by my editor to make any further changes with a few explitives and exclamation marks attached. I was forced to remove many important and interesting topics for future pages. It's long enough as it is. It may answer some of your questions regarding Cheer's husband.

It could be that he has had regeneration of thalamic neurons but not likely. Thalamic atrophy is typically measured by the size of the third ventricle. It is more likely he had an increase in CSF volume and thus size of the third ventricle, and/or edema surrounding the ventricle. If the condition had persisted it more than likely would have resulted in permanent atrophy.

Although the thalamus is drained by the deep cerebral veins, it mostly drains by way of the straight sinus into the dural sinuses of the posterior fossa. A portion, especially the frontal area, which includes the hypothalamus, drains toward the cavernous sinus. Among other things, the frontal nuclei of the thalamus are important to memory and motor function. The hypothalamus is the top of the ANS. The cavernous sinus primarily drains through the face but it can also flow into the posterior fossa via petrosal sinuses and into the IJs. As I explained to Dr. Arata, it is more likey that venoplasty affects the hypothalamus of the ANS rather than decompression of the vagus. The hypothalamus drains toward the cavernous sinus. Venoplasty increases the pressure gradient towards the posterior fossa and IJ. Dr. Arata's findings of ANS and other thalamic and hypothalamic type improvements are significant in my opinion.

http://www.upright-health.com/thalamus.html
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby blossom » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:28 pm

no, poet, my brain is smart enough to know it's limits. but, the problem that most dr.'s have is that they think they "know" more than the patients know about themselves. their degrees didn't come with ear plugs and blinders but it seems to be the fashion.--they quit listening to their patients and only see what they "want" to see and hear. most don't want to leave that comfort zone that they have been in and sadly have put a lot of patients in that pop a pill help mask things but never finds the cause or cure. we are more complicated than that--and we are all different in our sameness.

like dr. flanagan said of his nature--if he were in construction his house would always be being added onto. "something to that effect". he never got in a rut.

common sence-no flow no go. be it blood,csf or electrical currents being shorted out by compression or detachment or crud build up--of some sort.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby blossom » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:11 pm

hi dr. flanagan, this probably doesn't mean much but here goes-in my searches the girl that i get a massage from was getting into learning what is called "body talk" you may know of it. she hooked me up with a higher schooled teacher of it. i was leary of anything that might have to do with spirits etc. but this is not that. it is energy-hard for me to explain-it's your bodys inate way of communicating and addressing problems. i'll let it go at that. the lady was in ohio i'm in pa. she would call so i could get comfy and relaxed-then we'd hang up-the session would begin. i'm kicked back thinking okkkk. about 10 min. in my left area of my stomach inside felt like it actually lifted heaved and rolled. "and it wasn't gas" :smile: that was the only actual physical thing i ever felt. other than when i had a session i'd sleep like a baby and had a nice calmness that would last awhile. after each session she would call back and tell me all the connections etc. then she would give me specific words that my body was addressing and i was to picture repeat these words as the body addresses them to heal. i know i'm screwing up the theory and the right way of explaining this. i quit when my pocket book did.

but, since you were talking about the thalamus the hypothalamus i remembered those were brought up a lot. also the cerebullem. i'm not good like poet or nzer and some with all these words and body parts. but i do recall that and of course more i forgot until maybe i hear it. i just thought the basal ganglia was brought up a lot too.

any way, when i had ccsvi treatment the only thing that i recall a little for the good was that that ach that starts at the base of my skull kinda off to the right a tad and radiates up my skull when i'm sleeping bad enough to wake me "at times bad enough i feared a stroke or something"and i'd have to position and it would let up. that did subside for quite a while but gradually is back at times. that also is where i got whacked in the 70's traction took the hand and foot tingles away that i had after that-then the fall in 90 brought this mess on.

would or could the spurs and stenosis be pressing on anything your last post is about? i know it will give me better flow.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:20 am

Blossom,
Your comments proved Poet's point. You get it. Your bat position experiment further proves it. You don't have to know all the fine points to get the big picture. You have consulted with some very bright, highly intelligent doctors with phenomenal credentials and skills who still don't get what you understand. As I posted previously regarding epidemiologists, experts in health care have become more like engineers and technicians. Health care has been reduced to studies and statistics derived from engineering. Doctors have lost clinical skills for taking a good case history and performing thorough physical exams. Stamford University has noted the same and dedicated a website in an attempt to restore classic clinical skills. Good doctors aren't engineers. It's more about intuition than mathematics. The body is too complex to fully understand. You have to open your mind to decode and read the signals it sends.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:37 am

blossom wrote:...since you were talking about the thalamus the hypothalamus i remembered those were brought up a lot. also the cerebullem...i do recall that...the basal ganglia was brought up a lot too.

any way, when i had ccsvi treatment the only thing that i recall a little for the good was that that ach that starts at the base of my skull kinda off to the right a tad and radiates up my skull when i'm sleeping bad enough to wake me "at times bad enough i feared a stroke or something"and i'd have to position and it would let up. that did subside for quite a while but gradually is back at times. that also is where i got whacked in the 70's traction took the hand and foot tingles away that i had after that-then the fall in 90 brought this mess on.

would or could the spurs and stenosis be pressing on anything your last post is about? i know it will give me better flow.

Good observation and questions Blossom.

The basal ganglia are part of the Deep Grey Matter of the brain similar to the thalamus. The basal ganglia are located in the lobes of the brain surrounding the thalamus. There are others DGMs also. The cerebellum is sometimes referred to as the mini brain because it is. The DGMs are complex and involved in just about everything. The cerebellum is likewise complex. There is nothing magical about massage. A touch in the right place can be healing. Mechanical stimulation of autonomic receptors such as the carotid sinus has physiological effects such as lowering blood pressure and pulse rate. There are ANS receptors all over the body. The mechanical benefits of massage are that it stretches muscles and connective tissues and helps move blood and lymph. It is also very relaxing for the body and mind. I think all the masseuse talk was more fiction than fact. I use a craniosacral approach to target and work on specific structures in the cranial vault and spinal canal. It's not easy. It takes a much higher level of understanding and sensitive experienced hands.

I suspect you have problems in the suboccipital cavernous sinus area between the skull and atlas. The suboccipital cavernous sinus is a connective tissue tunnel. The vertebral arteries pass through it on their way to the brain. As I have mentioned previously on this site, in certain cases and susceptible individuals, extension of the head and neck backwards can cause Beauty Parlor Syndrome. Beauty Parlor Syndrome is a transient ischemic attack or mini stroke that occassionally would happen when females got their hair washed while tilting their neck back over the lip of a hard sink which compressed the sinus and arteries thus decreasing blood flow to the brain.

Cervical traction can be helpful in decompression and rehabilitation of the area in cases like yours. Most traction tables, however, aren't that specific or effective for tough cases. They have poor purchase for pull and too much play when they do pull. Most of the energy is wasted. I preferred a hand method I used in conjunction with a moving table top for tough cases. It allowed me to eliminate play, focus the traction on the specific segment and control the force much better than any machine could. My machine is guided by a much more sophisticated computer coordinated by the thalamus intergrating signals from very fine higher order mechanoreceptors from my experienced fingers and the knowledge, memories and programs stored in my lobes they send their signals to for guidance.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:51 pm

Well said Dr F,
Quote; "My machine is guided by a much more sophisticated computer coordinated by the thalamus intergrating signals from very fine higher order mechanoreceptors from my experienced fingers and the knowledge, memories and programs stored in my lobes they send their signals to for guidance."
Can you down load the program for us please?
I would love to be able to get you teaching the best of the best so they can go out and do the same!

The single focus of so many Chiro's, Osteo's, Masseuse's, Dr's of all sorts is simply about the little bit of book knowledge they have in-putted in their brains and that they were able to repeat at test time!

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:17 pm

"Everybody knows that neck injuries present with varying degrees of severity. How long after an injury does it take to develop into a condition like MS?
On average, the study showed an 11 year lap between the initial injury and the diagnosis of MS. That should change the way we understand and treat vehicle accidents, sport injuries and other injuries to the head and neck. There are growing numbers of studies and theories relating to decrease flow of CSF and venous blood from the brain. If this is an area of interest to you, check out this blog by Dr. Flanagan uprightdoctor.wordpress.com and continue to watch for an official study put out by FONAR and Dr. Rosa."


http://ucstudies.wordpress.com/2012/01/ ... sclerosis/
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:52 am

Thanks for the boost in brain volume Nigel.
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