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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:00 am

Dania,
As per you permission, and thanks to Dr. Rosa for his study and for sending them, I have reviewed you upright cine scans but I haven't seen you axial scans yet as there were problems in sending them.

What stands out the most to me is the excess cervical lordosis, which I suspect is probably associated with some excess thoracic kyphosis. I say suspect because the image cuts off at the upper thoracics. I did meet you briefly, however, before you got scanned and have a pretty good picture of your condition. I have x-ray vision. Abnormal curves in the spine cause tension and compression strains in the dura of the cord. They also alter the normal alignment of the spine and strain the musculoskeletal system, which can affect the underlying nervous system and blood and CSF flow in the spinal canal. CSF flow in the spinal canal, especially the cervical canal affects blood and CSF flow in the cranial vault and brain. Sluggish blood and CSF flow in the spinal canal can affect tissue health and increase pressure on the cord that shows up as sensory and motor deficits, as well as lesions.

Adults can acquire abnormal curvatures in their backs from injuries, osteoporosis and aging. Patients with neurological weaknesses and those who are wheelchair bound can also acquire abnormal curves in the spine.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby blossom » Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:53 pm

dr. flanagan, they're always saying the closer to the equator the less if any ms. "whatever this so called ms is." so the vit. d comes into play. yet, the eskimos get little body exposure to the sun. and, no ms.ok, they eats a lot of fish oil. but, where fishing is big such as scotland that looks at fishing as one of the main source of employment so i'd think they eat a good bit of fish yet has the highest rates of these symptoms they call ms.

i was wondering about the minerals of the earth say at the equator combined with the magnetic field there and the same thoughts as traveling further north. could this magnetic field etc. be a factor. the warmer climate i'd assume would also be more apt to go barefoot or little leather sandles so they would be more grounded too. the original eskimo's more than likely wore boots made of animal hides so they'd be grounded.

doubt there are say coal mines near the equator or the n. pole.

i found this but there was a better one i can't locate again. i figure you are aware of these things especially since it blends with chinese thoughts and the ancients. i find it fascinating. but, i don't have the savy to put it together in the right way. even the meridians of ones body and the meridians of the earth. this all blows my mind but look at the animals and how it effects everything.

don't think i'm taking away from the spine--not at all--if this works the way i'm thinking and say you do injure yourself if you are in a better spot on earth the blood flow and healing could be influenced and help ward off as much damage. also it would influence say bacteria or virus getting such a grip.

i know what i want to say and ask but i feel i'm bumbling trying. so, if you wanna read this--it's long. i'd love your input. if you think i'm too far in left field i understand too.

sometimes i think the world is getting smarter than ever in someways but in the rush they are stepping on and over knowledge that is priceless that's been here for a very long time. maybe that's why humans survived as long as we have--but could be getting to the point of outsmarting ourselves.

http://www.landandspirit.net/html/geopathic_stress.html
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:09 am

People have been aware of the magnetitic flux lines on the earth and the body for millenia. The have to exist. The core and spin of the earth create charges and magnetitic fields. Ions in the earth, air and water create patterns due to attraction and repulsion. Ice crystals falling through clouds build up tremendous charges as they pass rising water droplets. They sometimes release the charge as lightening. Moving water carrier minerals such as iron that create charges. If you pass a conductor such as a copper wire through a magnetic field you create current. Likewise if you pass current through a conductor you create a magnetic field around the conductor. Nerves are conductors of micro electric current surrouded my micro magnetic fields. Buddist monks face east when they meditate to take advantage of the spin of the earth. Chi Kung exercises are preferrably done facing east as well.

That said, while it may factor into health somewhat, and I do my chi kung facing east and walk barefoot most of the time, geopathic stress would be very low on my list as to potential causes of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's or MS etc if at all. It would also be low on the list for most other of mankind's most common maladies such as musculoskeletal disorders, heart disease, diabetes, autoimmune-inflammatory diseases, etc. I suspect that the pockets of ultra high prevalence of MS in Scotland's remote northern islands is due to an autoimmune-inflammatory condition. It would be interesting to study the cases more closely to see what cases are include in their cohort.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby blossom » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:18 pm

thanks dr. flanagan. wish you could do a study on it. my ancestors that came over on the boat on mother's side were scottish fathers side english. as close as i could check it stayed pretty much in that catagory up to my birth. i know this is kinda idle chit chat-and i'm not in tune to all this for sure. but, in your studies of the skull and spine structure were people from that area show any particular weakness in that area? but, then again my dad was a boxer in his younger days and a coal miner and farmer for a living. so, his body experienced a lot of trauma from head to toe but remained healthy and strong until an older age. "but, my built is my mom's and she was a very healthy woman." so goes the ancestory. for what it's worth.

i thought it was interesting if it is true that even zinc and calcium and some other chemicals in the body would drop in some areas where the magnetic fields were bad.

ok, enough of that. i'm a little anxious about tomorrow--and we'll take from there.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:33 pm

Apparently Vikings were the source of some of our bad genes Blossom. My ancestry is exactly the same BTW. It is seriously 'the' common connection in MS.
Just learning up on Zinc and Copper deficiency and what foods you source Zinc from, looks like it will be a common deficiency and then there is the link back to Vit D production and Vit D supplementing requiring a particular level of Zinc.
Jimmylegs has been a huge help!
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Tamarack » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:56 pm

NZer1,
Clarification: While Dr. Rosa uses an upright MRI machine made by the FONAR company for his study, his research is independent of FONAR.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:25 pm

Thank you :)
I found that out when I searched for other facilities with Fonar machines in Australia and then went back to find out the 'source' of information and the access to 'HELP'.
Australia (Sydney) BTW have requested the collar and program and I am waiting to hear the outcome. Australia's lead tutor and Chairman of AO Australia has travelled and met with Dr Rosa so there may be a down under link one day! ;)

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:03 am

It sounds like we're in the same boat Blossom. I'm half Irish and half Scottish on my father's side and one hundred percent English on me mum's side. Me mum was fresh off the boat. She crossed the pond when she was a young teen. We grew up with tea in the afternoon. As I mentioned numerous times both my mother and grandmother had severe rheumatoid arthritis and died young as a result. My mother has a slipped ondontoid (axis/C2) that affected her lower cranial nerves. RA is an autoimmune-inflammatory condition. It would be interesting to know what they were innoculated with when then entered the US through Ellis Island. Innoculations are a cause of autoimmune-inflammatory conditions. RA has been linked to plasma esterase deficiency in the complement immune system. While I suspect that European skull designs are predisposed to MS I think the high prevalence of MS in the outer islands of Scotland are due to autoimmune-inflammatory conditions. The outer islands have a smaller genetic pool with similar immune and compliment immune systems. The Faroe Islanders were exposed new viruses by British soilders during the war. The Scottish cases need to be studied more closely to see who was included in the cohorts.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby blossom » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:34 am

yes, it would be interesting to know what shots your mum got. a friend of mine was in perfect health. when she was about 20 there was a flu supposed to hit. it was in the 80's i think maybe swine flu . her mother in law talked her into getting the shot. it seemed within a month she developed a very bad rheumatorid artheritis and has really suffered. there was no history of it in her family.

well, you, nzer and i have the same genetic background--there is no history of autoimmune such as ms in mine. although on my dad's side there is diabetes and brain tumors. fortunatly not my dad. my mom was really healthy-would you believe she never even had a headache in her life-died at 89. her grandparents lived very long and healthy but her mother was only 24 at death not sure but i think it had to do with the kidneys.

boy, these cellular memories that come along with birth. trying to figure the connections and genetics--and that's going by what we are told. banking that great great great grandma or grandpa didn't get a little "frisky" and didn't feel a need to tell. :-?

i have been accused of being a "little" hard headed in my life. ;;) but, sometimes there's no choice.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:23 pm

A discussion close to my heart ;)

RA is now linked to bacterial infection and auto-immune is crossed off the list of causes.

MS is now crossed off the list of auto-immune and there are suspicions of bacterial or virus involvement that develops into MS.

Many diseases once said to be auto-immune are now being understood as having an early link of bacterial infection.

Faroe Islands and other isolated islands are being reviewed because of the incidence of 'disease' after new inhabitants from particular regions and times, could that be from bacteria and or viruses?

In the past testing was not available and technology had not advanced things to look at a wide spectrum of co-incidences in incurable diseases.

On average at present the Medical World is moving away from the singular approach in Health and Wellness treatments and adopting a multi-spectrum approach to treatments because of the new understandings of symbiotic interactions required for Wellness. Asia has known for ever and so have most Inuit Cultures!

Medical Science understands and lists 0.04% of of the total Bacteria involving Human Life.

Bacteria such as CPn and Lyme diseases are seen in many previously incurable diseases such as MS, RA, Parkinsons, Alzheimers, and the list is growing.

Treating bacterial infections with both ABx and Herbal methods is also changing symptoms of many previously incurable diseases such as MS, RA, Parkinsons, Alzheimers, and the list is growing.

Interesting! ;)
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:37 am

The NASA studies on microgravity are getting very interesting. They are confirming my suspicions about inversion flows and it's impact on the eye and brain. Interestingly, they found increased strength (pathogenicity) of bacteria in space which is supposed to be sterile. The microgravity environment is apparently favorable for certain microbes, such as bacteria, that the astronauts bring with them or astronauts are more vulnerable to them in space. Changes in our internal environment disturbs the normal balance of the billions of different microbes that live in us. Being bed ridden can cause bed sores and make you ill. Anything that causes sluggish blood and lymph flow, such as in a microgravity environment, can disturb the balance of microbes that live within us. There are equally destructive enzymes and other chemicals within our cells that will make us ill if they are released and not controlled by a healthy internal environment.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:18 pm

After a few days on the road we are now in the sunny warm south.

The links below are to fairly recent articles and current research into autoimmune-inflammatory conditions such as MS in dementia and Alzheimer's:

http://www.cyberounds.com/content/news/geri/0724/dementia.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2832614/
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=F6EC08E9ABC4ADED18278E3A6D0EF246.journals?fromPage=online&aid=333858
http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC2947959//reload=0;jsessionid=EZUM0e5vlkCVD2tMIw8A.30

The above cases respond well to immunotherapy treatment.

Streptococcus was suspected of playing a role in RA long ago.

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=254681

My practice was near the heart of Lyme country. I treated many patients with Lyme before most doctors even knew what it was. The initial tests were very inaccurate and the prevalence of patients with Lyme increased dramatically due to false positives. Then the tests got better and the cases dropped off dramatically. The doctors who specialized in Lyme disease also got better and much more successful with aggressive antibiotic treatments. Many patients got sick from the Herx reaction, which they said was worse than the condition but it usually only lasted a couple of weeks. My younger brother leaves in RI. Several years ago he got Lyme and Bebesia that caused the typical flu-like symptoms, He was hospitalized and treated successfully with antibiotics but got severe Herx reactions that lasted a couple of weeks. He was completely healed following a month of treatment.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:38 pm

Dr re your brother the bacteria/Lyme often become dormant in the presence of threats such as ABx and this happens within moments and then they reactivate and spread again over time. This is common and people need to be aware of this and monitor their health and or blood tests etc over time. Using herbs for 'protection' is almost paramount. Short term mono ABx are documented to fail often, that is why so much time has been spent by Lyme Literate Dr's on designing the protocols and combinations with Herbs to confront the disease protection mechanisms and bio-films.

Dr F your reaction to the Dentist anaesthetic is a herx/heme type reaction or porphyria and I saw this as a link with RA being CPn co-incidental with it. Too many co-incidences with a waxing and waning disease and with your diet no doubt to your advantage. Flairs occur though!

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:23 pm

Dr F I read the articles and noted the connection by name.

I think that there is an important indicator in the name Auto-immune.

Nowadays technology is enabling studies into what is happening at cellular level in these 'Auto-immune' diseases and the findings are that the immune system has been modified. The search in 1932 for an RA causing bacteria should continue and has, CPn is now found in 'most' if not all cases of RA. Interesting that my Brother has RA and is not interested in looking into this, saying that the 'experts' he is using should know this already and has 'faith' in them. Faith is a powerful destructor, whereas Curiosity has saved many Cats because they have learned what works and what does not.

This immune cell modification by CPn infection is also seen to be macrophage driven in some cases.

The peer reviewed studies have shown the process of CPn modifying DNA and adopting DNA to its own to avoid the Immune system detection and destruction of self. CPn Help.org

CPn was only recently 'found' 1983? I believe. We or Medical Science understands approximately 0.045% of all Bacteria, how much of the Worlds Population of Bacteria can live in us and negatively effect us which ones cause 'Auto-immune' diseases?

The knowledge of how the Immune System 'can' be modified, made destructive or inactive by CPn bacteria doesn't seem to have been heard and expanded on in Medicine!

CPn is not the be all and end all, it 'imo' is an example of the paradigm shift that is necessary to advance 'Medicine' and Wellness.

Herx on and may the Heme system repair, secondary porphyria sucks, and so does activateted Charcoal!
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:08 pm

Nigel,
Except for what I suspect is hydroxyapatite depositional arthritis, which he had years before he got Lyme, my brother is doing very well. Depositional arthritides, such as gout, are metabolic in nature. My brothers issues stems from diet. I have successfully used herbs, enzymes and changes in diet to treat depositional arthritides. Each patient is different.

Dental anesthetics are neurotoxins that are close cousins of cocaine. I used a well known antidote for neurotoxins that worked well and quickly. I also stopped getting the new higher concentration anesthetic that is metabolized in the plasma rather than the liver and went to the old standard lower concentration of Lidocaine. I haven't had any problems since. Plasma esterase deficiency is fairly common.

There are many internal and external agents that can initiate autoimmune-inflammatory conditions. Internal and external environments affect the way we contend with bacteria and other pathogens. In TCM they are called internal and external evils such as cold, hot, wet and dry. Cold, hot, wet and dry internal and external environments make us susceptible to pathogens.

The NASA studies are very interesting. It has been known for a long time that microgravity weakens the immune system in astronauts. At the same time bacterial films seem do better under microgravity which makes the bacteria more virulent. The problem is not due to the bacteria. It is unnatural change in the internal and external environment of the astronauts.
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