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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:12 pm

Blossom,
In patient's with thoracic outlet syndrome, one of the tests used is to take the pulse with the head in neutral and the arm hanging straight down. The pulse is then checked with the head rotated and tilted in to the left and right sides as well as with the shoulders pulled back (retracted). I similarly strain and test the thoracic outlet muscles in various position. These positions increase the strain, deformation and compression of the blood vessels that pass through the thoracic outlets, and cause signs and symptoms not seen in the neutral position. Similar tests of added strain are used to test strength in the fingers in carpal tunnel syndromes. The same principle applies to the cervical spine. Neck flexion increases the strain and compression acting on the spinal canal and cord. I would check you strength in various neck positions, especially flexion which you report increases weakness.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:43 pm

Dr F are these situations of position and flow impeding the issues that are being talked about in CCSVI testing?

I think that positions and muscles must be a huge challenge to interpret which is 'normal' which is 'abnormal' and safe, and what is 'causing problems'.

People like Marie Rhodes (author of the CCSVI Book) and Marc Stecker (Wheelchairkamakazi blogger) have been shown that their neck flow is stopped by muscle grouping and that is suspected as cause of their personal disability (MS) which as yet is not treatable.

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:34 am

Most problems of obstruction to blood flow due to muscle tightness or imbalances are relatively easy to diagnose and repair. It's the underlying problems that cause the muscle tightness and imbalances that can be difficult to correct, such as scoliosis causing a TOS, or degeneration of the carpal tunnel that causes muscle weakness. Problems with the spine such as spondylosis, stenosis, scoliosis and osteophytes (bone spurs) can cause positional weakness of the muscles. The spine is the cause of the problem in these cases, not the muscles. These problems are difficult to correct.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:24 am

http://www.nervous-system-diseases.com/ ... halus.html

"Symptoms of hydrocephalus in adults vary somewhat depending on the underlying cause. However, in general, common symptoms, regardless of cause, can include headaches, nausea and vomiting, lethargy and somnolence and eventually decline in visual function. Other neurological symptoms that can occur in some patients include ABNORMALITIES OF OF THE MOVEMENT OF THE EYES"
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:59 am

Hi everyone!
Dr F with all the reading I am doing on Health in general I believe that the group of diseases we often discuss has another layer of 'cause' below the structural or physical level.
I find many times that the degeneration diseases are noted for symptoms that in essence are manifestations of the body compensating for an underlying series of layers of compounded patches.
The origin of the symptoms needs to be looked at differently, an example would be spondylosis, stenosis, scoliosis and osteophytes (bone spurs) they exist as after effects of a poorly understood process in Health.
Because these labels or dx's are found in a percentage of the population the primary cause needs to be found. Yes there may have been injury as an onset, but not everyone comes to the outcome the same.
The processes of healing from a primary cause is where the answers lie, the stages the body will go through to self correct are where the outcome of injury is determined.
Inflammation is often the 'time' when the de-generation process commences and can go 'mutant'. If factors like stress, diet and exercise are not in balance then the healing process will be out of balance and create ongoing dysfunction that develops into de-generation rather than re-generation.

My personal experience has been that when I had injuries and at the same time I also had a Bacterial load issue which developed into infection of healing sites, this may be common for others in varying degrees. My diet, stress and lifestyle were enabling the Bacterial load to develop and injury provided the right environment for the bacteria to thrive in the inflammation sites and transporting themselves in immune cells and macrophages. Intracellular bacteria doing what they do well. Nature at it best! Until I can get the load of bacteria to a 'balance' status my health is being dictated by the bacterial load. So the simple way to correct is with the ABx Protocol over 12-18 months to re-balance the bacteria not rapidly because of side effects of die off, the endo-toxins, and manage diet, stress, exercise and mindfulness.

I am finding as Western Medical Science grows, this knowledge is being supported more and more by research and studies that are mostly privately funded. The Pharmaceutics Industry wants customers rather than healed ex clients so this is slow in development and research funding.
The Asian Model of Medicine is not based in the Double Blind Placebo constraints and has been working with Functional Medicine for ever so they haven't had to find reasons for their Health rather they maintain good Health with balance in everything.
The Internet will help in bring the East/West Medicine Model to balance in time.

So what I see is that if there are spondylosis, stenosis, scoliosis and osteophytes (bone spurs) then there will be layers of healing to unravel to find the reason for de-generation over time and will require a different style of Dr to find the base line problems and the best direction for wellness.

*** Dr F I believe your approach to assessing a Patient is vital!***
The Medical professionals most of us deal with are missing all of the causes of our disability, they see what they know and what has labels they were taught in School, that is not going to find improvements or wellness for any of us.

Time and Cost is the greatest hindrance to diagnosis in Medicine today, we are treated in Factories that are $ based and we have become statistics of the Medical System rather than individuals who are asking for Help.
VIVA la Internet!

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:24 pm

Interesting angle on Health in general taken from a Lyme Disease prospective, I have also posted good insights from Dr David Jernigan on my site
https://www.facebook.com/pages/CCSVI-in ... 1636357984
Health tip of the day: The question that dominates most Lyme Disease Forums is why don’t I feel better, even after doing everything I can think of to get well.

The dominant doctor-driven natural medicine protocols are the Zhang Protocol, The Cowden Protocol, The Klinghardt Protocol, and The Jernigan Protocol.

Each of these doctors have spent years pursuing the identification of the best remedies/natural medicines to help facilitate the restoration of health of real suffering in their clinics. Each one of these doctors had to eventually develop their own line of remedies where none existed on the open market.

Most of these doctors use hundreds if not thousands of various remedies in their clinics and like myself have usually only developed a few unique formulas. I personally have only formulated about a dozen formulas though I don’t own the company, Jernigan Nutraceuticals, yet I use over three thousand different natural remedies that we keep on hand at all times at the Hansa Center.

The reality is that no canned protocol, natural or conventional, can do everything and cover every potential health issue, especially when dealing with people who have many symptoms and been sick for many years.

A great friend of mine, and one who is an M.D., PhD. said a wonderful statement today… “Lyme disease is not a true disease, but is more a syndrome and should actually be called Lyme Syndrome, since it is truly not one cause, but is indeed a tremendous range of symptoms unique to the various weaknesses in the body, mind, and spirit of the person who succumbed to the illness.”

Most if not all of the natural protocols are designed to address the most common issues that lead to illness in Lyme disease.

None of the various protocols can address every issue, since not every issue needing to be corrected can be fixed with a pill or nutritional supplement. For example, if you dislocate your finger there isn’t a pill in the world that can correct that finger. If what you need is a myofascial Release Therapy or spinal alignment, or NeuroPhotonic Therapy to correct the biophotonic metabolism you cannot achieve these with a pill or supplement.

Any resistance or interference in your body, mind, or spirit will put a little resistance or interference throughout the entire organism. This means you can be taking the absolutely best medicine in the world and yet that medicine cannot reach or work everywhere in your body because of these interferences.

You must find a doctor with the knowledge necessary to correctly adjust the "dislocated finger," and then there may be some pills that will help it heal faster.

If a person is diligent with any given protocol, Zhang, Cowden, Klinghardt, or the Jernigan, and is still not getting better or is even feeling worse, they should seek out professional help from a doctor trained in Biological Medicine.

Interestingly, none of the doctors whose protocols are listed above actually use their own protocols in their clinics! All of these doctors tailor every treatment to the unique needs of the person they are treating.

The reality is that no doctor has all the answers, so if you are trying to be your own doctor and follow a canned protocol of any type, you will be very limited in your knowledge of what to do beyond that protocol to get the improvements you seek.

Find a doctor you trust. Do what he recommends until you feel that you don’t trust that it is enough. Find another doctor who does things differently that you can trust. Repeat until the last issue at the level of cause has been addressed and you will be well.

At the Hansa Center for Optimum Health we bring to bear an incredible array of healing modalities and techniques in functional diagnosis and treatments in order to facilitate the removal of everything that is interfering with your body’s ability to repair and regenerate what has been damaged.
From Dr David Jernigan's fb site;
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:10 am

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:46 am

From Diana's link
CONCLUSIONS: These results indicate that patients with MS have greater IJV flattening and a trend toward more non-IJV collaterals than healthy subjects. The role that this finding plays in the pathogenesis or progression of MS, if any, requires further study.
http://www.ajnr.org/content/33/8/1615.full

It is starting to look like the blood drainage issues are also related to the tasks of the Lymph system. If wastes especially toxins are slowed, delayed or incomplete then the likelihood of those wastes causing 'issues' is very high.
People like me who are needing to remove endo-toxins because of an ABx protocol are living examples of what happens when there is a build up of harmful endo-toxins. If the toxins also are blocked in the journey out of the body within glands, junctions and areas such as bile and liver then there may be a commonality of symptoms across diseases. The accumulation of waste products can also induce other problems where deposits of minerals and compounds are found.
Iron in the brain is common in neurological diseases.
Calcium build ups and bone formations such as spurs.
Endo-toxic overload symptoms occurring in many diseases which are seen as flairs in symptoms in diseases like RA and MS due to the body being unable to excrete the toxin influx in time.

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Tomorrow and for the next period of time this is something I want to learn about, it appears to be a piece in the jigsaw that creates MS and other diseases when a person lives life in certain ways.

Puzzles!

See more detail on DrDavid Jernigan's site
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:16 am

While I don't fully agree with Dr. Zamboni's CCSVI theory regarding the role of the internal jugulars in MS, the procedure he pioneered using venoplasty to improve cranial hydrodynamics has proven its value and works fairly well in certain cases resulting in some impressive improvements even if they were temporary. It was a monumental step forward for research tha demands further investigation. It stimulated some hot scientic discussion and debate regarding MS that had stalled. I think my theory regarding cranial hydrodynamics is more encompassing and upper cervical correction has likewise shown that it can improve faulty cranial hydrodynamics in certain cases. Neurosurgical intervention such as brain fenestrations and shunts may similarly help to correct faulty fluid mechanics in the brain. None of these methods however address faulty spinal hydrodynamics. Spinal hydrodynamics are just as critical and equally complex. Venoplasty and shunts of the azygous and leg veins may help to improve spinal hydrodynamics. Specific physiotherapeutic intervention in the lower spine may also help, as well and endoscopic surgical intervention when necessary. This is just the beginning. More doctors and surgeons need to get onboard and much more research needs to be done regarding fluid mechanics in the brain and cord, especially in the upright position.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:37 am

uprightdoc wrote:While I don't fully agree with Dr. Zamboni's CCSVI theory regarding the role of the internal jugulars in MS, the procedure he pioneered using venoplasty to improve cranial hydrodynamics has proven its value and works fairly well in certain cases resulting in some impressive improvements even if they were temporary. It was a monumental step forward for research tha demands further investigation. It stimulated some hot scientic discussion and debate regarding MS that had stalled. I think my theory regarding cranial hydrodynamics is more encompassing and upper cervical correction has likewise shown that it can improve faulty cranial hydrodynamics in certain cases. Neurosurgical intervention such as brain fenestrations and shunts may similarly help to correct faulty fluid mechanics in the brain. None of these methods however address faulty spinal hydrodynamics. Spinal hydrodynamics are just as critical and equally complex. Venoplasty and shunts of the azygous and leg veins may help to improve spinal hydrodynamics. Specific physiotherapeutic intervention in the lower spine may also help, as well and endoscopic surgical intervention when necessary. This is just the beginning. More doctors and surgeons need to get onboard and much more research needs to be done regarding fluid mechanics in the brain and cord, especially in the upright position.

Dr F, very well put. As I cannot hold the Atlas adjustment I would welcome any doctor that would insert a shunt to drain the CSF that is leaking into my brain. It may not be the perfect solution but I think it would be better than doing nothing.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:01 am

Fenestration and shunts for the brain are only helpful in certain cases. Likewise for spinal surgery to improve flow in the spinal canal. The method of intervention needs to be based on flow studies. While the science is here, the research and the results of flow studies aren't in yet for the cranial vault and brain let alone the spinal canal and cord. In the meantime, less invasive, safer, sensible and effective means of physiotherapeutic intervention need to be further investigated and applied to complicated cases like yours.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:59 am

So sad that for many of us these vital studies will be too late. Neurologists keep barking up the wrong tree.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:50 pm

I like Franz Schellings comments of late regarding the flow dynamics of the sinus' compensating or not, it puts allot of sense into the discussions of health outcomes over time rather than the approach of looking at the 'NOW' picture of health and trying to theorise how it has created a dis-ease.

Time and adaptation by our body has hidden many of the clues to the 'cause' of the dis-ease outcome.

Simple historic examples in Health outcomes are pointing to an 'over life time picture' that connects the Jigsaw of 'reasons' we become dysfunctional.
Diet in the womb, diet as a child, sun exposure throughout life, diet throughout life, stresses throughout life and peaks during difficult times, natural foods/herbs that are anti-microbic or anti-bacterial and how often throughout life they are part of the main diet.

We evolve and transform so many times throughout our lifetime that we forget that we will have to decipher the patterns of change.

I look at my own health now and then consider the peaks and troughs throughout my time and find there is a pattern and yet most Dr's want to say my unwellness it caused by 'x' currently found from tests.
Does that mean CPn chronic infection is the issue and when it is 'gone' I will 'normal' ?

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby blossom » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:44 pm

dr. flanagan, there are so many chiro. techniques i was wondering your thoughts on-abc-stands for advanced biostructual correction. i stumbled on it never heard of it. figured you would. not planning on hunting one down it sounds good but a lot of things do. just as nucca helps some some not so much some none at all. maybe this might help someone-but i know no chiro. can remove the spurs. some of the testimonials are ms patients. pretty impressive if they are true.

www.advbiostructuralcorr.com/

www.abcmiracles.com/

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvtlMgZrKcs
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:54 am

Hi all,
Here's a thought starter question that managed to pop into my head before I went to bed,

If I have a Chronic Bacterial CPn intra-cellular infection and I have disc bulges and spinal disc de-generation in three regions what symptoms am I likely to have?

It seems to me that how I ask questions finds answers to puzzles rather than asking the same question to many people!

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