CCSVI and CCVBP

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Wed May 01, 2013 2:44 pm

It the location of the thalamus, hypothalamus, pituitary stalk and pituitary that make them susceptible to chronic destructive tension, compression and shear stresses. Shear stress develop along the interface between the lobes of the brain and the diencephalon and brainstem called the periventricular areas. The hypothalamus, pituitary, optic nerve and circle of Willis are on the bottom of the brain above the base of the vault and susceptible to compression, especially if CSF volume in the cisterns drops too low. Downward pressure also causes CSF to sometimes invade the sella turcica and compress the pituitary. Ventriculomegaly causes tension in periventricular structures such as the thalamus. At the same time it cause compression of the cortex against the cranial vault. Mega cisterns likewise cause compression loads. Weakened tissues are more vulnerable to bacteria, pathogens and antigens.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Wed May 01, 2013 4:50 pm

I have just spoken with Neauva, first time in a little while.
She is not well again and has a return of the symptoms that became the reason for the last surgery which was to remove the scar tissue from the previous surgery.
Her young sister also has just been dxed with 4mm Chiari, and has problems in the same spinal region T7-10 and their father has now said that their Grandmother had 'sway back' problems which developed symptoms like they have.
Interesting and sad as the Medical System is basically not doing anything for either sister and even having help with symptom management such as pain problems is non existent at the moment.

At the same learning about the CSF flow issues and symptom development here at TiMS makes for a challenging time. I will no doubt become involved in what ever way I can! Tests to prove that there is a flow and back pressure issue happening is expensive and also the nearest Upright MRI is Sydney Australia.
I will summon all three and a half of my brain cells and come with a plan with her.

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Thu May 02, 2013 12:43 am

They would be good candidates for Cox 7/8 or Zenith 100 full spine flexion-distraction by a qualified doctor with plenty of experience. Neava has many complications. Among other things, she may have segmental tethering in the spine due to adhesions from surgery and chronic inflammation.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Thu May 02, 2013 12:46 pm

"After entering the cisterns, CSF can flow down into the subarachnoid space of the spinal cord or it can flow upward through the subarachnoid space of the brain to the arachnoid granulations at the top of the brain, where the bulk of CSF absorption takes place to eventually leave the central nervous system via the venous system. The arachnoid granulations are one-way valves that connect the subarachnoid space to the superior sagittal sinus. The superior sagittal sinus is part of the venous drainage system of the brain located at the top of the skull."

Dr F if there is Chiari problems occurring due to lack of CSF correct flow and hydraulicing issues then the drainage of the CSF to the arachnoid granulations would potentially be under resistance to flow or physical compression/pressure as well?

The Venus drainage being at the top of the skull could be compromised by pressure within the skull from CSF build up and back jets/reflux issues?

From memory the arachnoid granulations are interlinked with the lymph system of the brain?

The more I think about the potential flow issues because many systems are contained in a fixed space with no where to go in adverse conditions, it opens up many possibilities in each department!

The changes in symptoms with PTA treatment from CCSVI is more understandable when you consider that some will benefit the flow improvement on the operating table and others will achieve benefit over time as inflammation issues and other factors settle and heal.
Complex situations with little understanding or test procedures at this point in time. Bit of a Rabbit Warren!

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Thu May 02, 2013 1:51 pm

The CSF pathways are in the subarachnoid space, which is inside the dura mater. The dura mater is fairly strong and less vulnerable to compression than veins. High pressure problems such as from bleeds or tumors can compress the subarachnoid space and effect flow. CSF flow is also effected by degeneration and scar tissues in the subarachnoid space. The bridging veins at the top of the skull aren't protected by the dura, which makes them suceptible to compression from ventriculomegaly. The brain has no lymph system. As far as I know the arachnoid granualtions aren't connected to the lymph system.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Thu May 02, 2013 2:44 pm

Thanks Dr F, the main learning for IR's will come from this info you have proved about the CSF pathways I believe! Dr Haacke is testing a new dye for MRI's so that lesions and leakage may be better imaged, this could be very timely! The Fonar team could be interested also?

When I also see this quote it reminds me of the many questions that PwMS ask to IR's about the other places that veins are at risk with CCSVI and what will be needing testing and understanding, "The bridging veins at the top of the skull aren't protected by the dura, which makes them suceptible to compression from ventriculomegaly." as well there are the vertebral veins which will have an impact on the drainage after the blood flow has overcome the potential 'in skull' restrictions to flow.
I remember reading about the start flow pressure peak and then the continuous flow constant pressure differences that occur when there are restrictions in the vascular system, this must also increase the pulse effect and it's negative side effects when the ventriculomegaly occurs. Like a ripple effect?

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Thu May 02, 2013 2:48 pm

I had my 4th spinal decompression treatment today. Getting better and better each time. Very slow but improving. At least my muscles in my bowels are working again. Yeah! I know bodily functions makes people laugh but it is no laughing matter you are the one that they do not function for. My neck is loosening up. My fingers in my left hand are staring to function again. I am not so hot in the head any more and actually I now feel cold sometimes. So many other little things that are improving.The chiro is quite surprised at these changes and was really not expecting them. TY Dr Flanagan.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Thu May 02, 2013 2:54 pm

Should be interesting. Dr. Haake is the Ansel Adams of the Brain. The detail in his images are outstanding. The Upright Fonar angle will be the icing on the cake.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Thu May 02, 2013 3:02 pm

Your welcome Dania. Thanks for the update. I would say your progress isn't so slow considering the condition of the spine and the positive sign and symptom improvement. Restoring bowel and bladder function is a a very good sign. I suspect you had increased CSF volume and pressure in the lumbar cistern.
I may have another case for Dr. Hoang but I suspect there may be some segmental tethering involved. Tethering and cysts need extra special care.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Sat May 04, 2013 7:39 am

Yesterday was the first day I did not feel like I was running a fever and did not take Diamox. And I had the windows open and did not turn on the A/C. Actually sat in front of the open patio door and had the sun on my arms and legs. And it felt good! What a blessing! I am able to pickup and hold things with my left hand again. Typing with both hands. Normal sensations are returning. I forgot what it felt like. I hope I keep improving with every treatment and never lose what I have gained.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sat May 04, 2013 11:44 am

That's terrific news Dania. You won't lose what you have gained and you are still making significant gains in the early stage of treatment.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Sat May 04, 2013 3:00 pm

Dr F I have read the book on Lyme by Dr David Jernigan and spoken with him on the Biological Medicine approach. David is a Chiro from Cleveland Chiropractic College -

** What is your opinion of the understandings in Biological Medicine Dr F?

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Health Tip of the Day: Fifth in our series on understanding how everything in the body is connected through the thirteen organ circuits. Hopefully you are beginning to see how important it is for a doctor to understand how everything in the body interconnects, since 80% of the time, where you feel the symptom is not where it is coming from.

Very often, because a doctor trained in the philosophy of Biological Medicine understands the various circuits, they can determine where in the circuit the problems are really coming from. This is important when you want to treat the cause of the problem, not just mask the symptom.

Today's tip is about the role that joints play in the circuit. Joints can blow a circuit in your body when they are injured due to physical trauma, toxin accumulation in the joint, or infection in the joint.

Most often, in chronic illness the joints destabilize when the circuits get blown. It is important to understand that the ligaments are only designed to hold the bones in their general vicinity. It is the muscles around that joint that are responsible for holding the bones in the joint in their correct position and range of motion.

Let me give you an example. When an organ circuit gets blown, due to dysfunction somewhere in the circuit, lets say the problem is a cavitation in the bone at the base of the front tooth on the lower jaw.

This tooth is on the same circuit with the reproductive organs. Since the bio-energetic integrity of everything on that circuit is reduced about 60%, this means the muscles that share that circuit, the gluteus maximus, gluteus medius, and the piraformis muscles (the butt muscles), which are all the major muscles that control the position of the joints of your pelvis, can no longer hold the bones of the Sacro-Illiac joint (SI-joint) in their correct position.

The resulting weakness in the butt muscles cause the bones of the pelvis to be suspended in their ligaments. The ligament get sprained as they literally get stretched from the weight of the entire torso sagging on them. Remember, the ligaments are not designed to hold the full weight of the body, they are only to hold the bones within the correct area and limit the range of motion which the joint can travel.

When this circuit blows, and since the entire spine is cradled in the pelvis, and the spine follows what the pelvis does, and because the lower jaw and the pelvis are connected like the strings of a marionette doll on strings, multiple circuits begin to fail as more joints become aggravated...all initially because of the problem in the one tooth.

So the pain you feel in this scenario is going to be felt in the low back, usually at the dimples, where your low back meets the sacrum. If you put your hands on your hips, the pain would be mostly where your thumbs are touching the SI-joint. This pain may radiate down the legs even.

You can get a Chiropractic or Osteopathic adjustment to align the pelvis and low back and the back/pelvis will feel better, however because the problem is not coming from the back, but from the tooth issue, the pain will just come back. The muscles on that circuit will not hold the joint in its correct orientation so the adjustment the doctor gives you will never hold for very long.

By the way, notice that this is the reproductive organ circuit...the ovaries/testicles and uterus/prostate, and such on this circuit will also not be functioning correctly so you can expect decreased sex drive, decreased emotional stability, and other hormonal problems...all thanks to a cavitation in the lower jaw bone, at the base of the front tooth, in this one scenario.

Hopefully about this time you are going "Ah Ha!" as the light turns on with this understanding of the circuits of your body. You can spend a lot of money pushing symptoms around either with natural treatments or conventional.

If the doctor isn't trained in how the body is set up on circuits, which no medical school or chiropractic school teaches that I am aware of, then the doctor will be trained to expect healing to take a long time. The MD will be stuck treating the symptom, because that is all they can see to treat. and the DC will want to see you for 80 visits a year, because they are trained to expect the joint to never hold without repeated adjustments.

With the healing philosophies of Biological Medicine doctors are taught how to get every single circuit up and running at 100%. This means the muscles, joints, ligaments, glands, organs, neurological tissues all come back online...all in one office visit! This is why we often get to see dramatic improvements quickly. This is also why the doctors at the Hansa Center have learned to expect improvements after each treatment, not like most doctors who only expect their patients to feel better after a long, bitter, miserable couple of years of drugs and treatments.

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sun May 05, 2013 1:59 am

It's nothing new Nigel. I have heard it all before. I had many years of Applied Kinesiology. It is his own belief system not science.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Sun May 05, 2013 8:22 am

It is so odd that for years I have been saying I want someone to hold my head and another person to hold my ankles and both pull at the same time. And that is what my treatments are. Spinal decompression. So listen to that little voice in your head. It is usually right!
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby vesta » Sun May 05, 2013 10:15 am

uprightdoc wrote:It's nothing new Nigel. I have heard it all before. I had many years of Applied Kinesiology. It is his own belief system not science.


That's a bit tacky. "not science" is what the medical authorities say about Chiropractors. "not science" is the bat used to bully patients into not seeking therapies which help them. I know nothing about this Dr, his theories sound a bit like Classical Chinese Medicine, but maybe he has a method which helps "balance" and relax a person. Anyway, if MS patients wait for "science" to anoint them with a sure fire cure, most will be dead. Is what you do "science"? Isn't CCSVI angioplasty research being delayed with this argument? Criticize the ideas on their merits but please don't trot out that big high falutin word intended to SILENCE the speaker.

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