CCSVI and CCVBP

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Thu May 09, 2013 3:14 pm

Your welcome Cheerleader and thanks for the interesting study. CurIous (Mark) posted his venograms toward the start of this thread. He had bilateral stents placed to correct CCSVI and good results. The image shows a cervical kyphosis. Typically the the neck and internal jugulars veins that follow its course bends forward toward the face. The kyphosis causes an acute change in direction of the cervical spine and most likely impinged the internal jugular against the transverse process of atlas.

That's terrific that you had such good results for migraines and dizziness with AO correction.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Thu May 09, 2013 7:59 pm

It has been 3 weeks(6 treatments) of spinal decompression on the Cox 7 table. I am improving every day. My contracted muscles, which effected about 90% of them has been reduced to about 20%. I can type with both hands again, pick up them with my left hand, sitting straighter, my left hip which was pulled in to the right is moving back to where it should be, heat tolerance better, muscles in bowels working again, food tastes better/more normal, stomach is growling again, sensation of touch/feeling becoming normal, physically much stronger/able to do so much more, dreaming again, jaw no longer clicking when I open my mouth, color in face use to very flushed now almost normal color, stood up this evening and turned off the light on the fan on top of the stove (been at least 6 months since I last did that), muscles in my legs starting to work again... I could go on and on. I am thrilled at the progress and the Dr Huang, the chiro, is pleasantly surprised. He did not expect any changes, very skeptical. I told him I would get better but I could tell he was not optimistic. I believe he has changed his mind. He feels the changes in my body. I was so stiff the first time. My muscles were so contracted I was almost a statue. He probably though I was too far gone. Well, Dr Flanagan we will prove those who do not believe that it is possible.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Thu May 09, 2013 10:43 pm

Your welcome Dania and thanks for the thorough reports. I am happy to hear you are progressing so well. If you were closer it would have been nice to do a baseline exam, especially muscle tests, for monitoring purposes.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Thu May 09, 2013 11:03 pm

Interesting arrival in my inbox;
Patient Education: Becoming the Best D.C. You Can Be – Edward Plentz andKevin Pallis, D.C.s – 4 hrs (philosophy). Understanding the mentality of every patient who comes through your door and learning how to relate to them is priceless. Develop a procedure that will allow patients to experience chiropractic so they are more inclined to get the Big Idea. Help patients understand the importance of chiropractic care for the whole family. Develop a system that positions you and your office as the most valuable source of information your community can rely on when it comes to health care for themselves and their families. Become the “go-to” source for being healthy naturally. http://www.sherman.edu/lyceum/philosophy.asp

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby CureIous » Thu May 09, 2013 11:17 pm

uprightdoc wrote:Your welcome Cheerleader and thanks for the interesting study. CurIous (Mark) posted his venograms toward the start of this thread. He had bilateral stents placed to correct CCSVI and good results. The image shows a cervical kyphosis. Typically the the neck and internal jugulars veins that follow its course bends forward toward the face. The kyphosis causes an acute change in direction of the cervical spine and most likely impinged the internal jugular against the transverse process of atlas.

That's terrific that you had such good results for migraines and dizziness with AO correction.


Thanks for the info Dr. I've always wondered how the cervical spine played
into my particular situation. I've always had problems with my neck, but also
have found it intriguing, that my "MS" closely followed (within a few years) of getting
orthodontic treatment. Originally, the orthodontist was pullling my lower jaw
out. I had a slight overbite, just looked at the old xray tonight.

After pulling my lower jaw out, then I was slated for corrective jaw surgery where
they resect the jaw and move it in, and up. Well that never happened,
so I am left with a severe underbite. All I know is, stuff moved, and four years
later I had "MS", though it is obvious now the venous rerouting (as a result of stenosis) was probably
happening long before that.

I had a long conversation tonight with an old high school friend,
she has Vascular Ehler Danlos and a ton of neck problems, as does
her son. My sister has kept in touch with her through the years
and mentioned about my CCSVI treatment so we had a great
conversation. She has to be very careful about treatments
as connective tissue disorders lead to myriad complications. She's had
more than a few MRV's, and has stenosed flattened veins.

Is there any hope for ED'ers as it pertains to this? One strong
woman. After listening to her I will never complain again!!!

Mark
RRMS Dx'd 2007, first episode 2004. Bilateral stent placement, 3 on left, 1 stent on right, at Stanford August 2009. Watch my operation video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwc6QlLVtko, Virtually symptom free since, no relap
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri May 10, 2013 2:53 am

Hello Mark,
Your welcome. I have recommended your technique many times for patients to take pictures of their x-rays on a lighted blank TV screen or the viewbox in the doctors office when digital isn't available to send to me. It works like a charm.

Yes. Patients with vascular EDS can be worked on but you need to find a well seasoned doctor with the right equipment and technique. She should only be treated with low force. There are many methods. The best choices would be techniques such as Atlas Orthogonal upper cervical, NUCCA upper cervical, full spine flexion-distraction or Sacrooccipital Technique.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri May 10, 2013 5:25 am

NZer1 wrote: ... Patient Education: Becoming the Best D.C. You Can Be – Edward Plentz andKevin Pallis, D.C.s – 4 hrs (philosophy). Understanding the mentality of every patient who comes through your door and learning how to relate to them is priceless. Develop a procedure that will allow patients to experience chiropractic so they are more inclined to get the Big Idea. Help patients understand the importance of chiropractic care for the whole family. Develop a system that positions you and your office as the most valuable source of information your community can rely on when it comes to health care for themselves and their families. Become the “go-to” source for being healthy naturally ...


I have read and still have all of BJ Palmer's green books, as well as others. I am a fan of Palmer and his tremendous contribution to the art and science of chiropractic. On the other hand, when it comes to philosophy his green books are horrible. BJ Palmer was an extremely egotistical, powerful and very wealthy man. His contribution to the art and science remains overshadowed by his adament stance on his method of upper cervical correction being the only way, along with his personal philosophy on life and health called chiropractic philosophy, based on what he called the Triune of Life - not very original. BJ Palmer split the profession, which is why you have two camps now called upper cervical and full spine chiropractors. Very few chiropractors do upper cervical and even fewer do upper cervical and full spine. The vast majority of chiropractors are full spine. As far as life and health are concerned, TCM is far more interesting, complete and superior to chiropractic philosophy. While it is important to have a sound personal philosophy to follow through life, chiropractors need to move on and get up to speed with science. BJ Palmer owned one of the first cars, the first radio stations for which he hired future president Ronald Regan, and he owned one of the first x-ray units in the U.S. If he were alive today he wouldn't own an ancient x-ray unit, he would have the finest Upright MRI. BJ started upper cervical by thinking outside the box. In the end he built a big box that became a trap for himself and the profession.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri May 10, 2013 8:28 am

Nigel,
I would much rather sit down with you anytime and discuss the latest scientific research regarding MS and other neurodegenerative conditions from upright posture to bacteria, including philosophy rather than listen to a boring sermon on chiropractic philosophy. Most of you reading this thread know far more about the role of venous drainage, CSF flow, the skull, the spine and upright posture etc., in neurodegenerative processes than most chiropractors.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby vesta » Fri May 10, 2013 12:54 pm

Hi Blossom: Keep trying to find a Chiropractor or Osteopath to correct whatever damage occurred when you had your accident. Perhaps take a short statement from Dr Flanagan giving his analysis of your needs. If you do see the Chiropractor who stood you up, say nothing, pretend nothing has happened, (1 lie deserves another) say that your brother will help with the "heavy lifting". (On the other hand the visit might stress you too much) You are on the right path so persevere.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby vesta » Fri May 10, 2013 1:13 pm

Hello uprightdoc and NZer1:
The question of back pain and antibiotics, the article refers to a potential Nobel Prize because in 2005 2 Australian Scientists received the prize for their discovery that stomach ulcers were caused by the bacteria helicobacter pylori and antibiotic treatment could heal them. This may prove a similar case.
However I find antibiotics poisonous, I can’t take them more than a few days, they lead to a yeast overgrowth (Candida) among other things. I believe that NZer1 is on a long antibiotic treatment for Chlamydia ? (correct me if I’m wrong) You must be very healthy and strong to withstand the treatment. What antibiotic are you taking? I hope I never need them in any sustained way. Homeopathy works well for me, but one needs an experienced classical homeopath.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Fri May 10, 2013 1:52 pm

uprightdoc wrote:Nigel,
I would much rather sit down with you anytime and discuss the latest scientific research regarding MS and other neurodegenerative conditions from upright posture to bacteria, including philosophy rather than listen to a boring sermon on chiropractic philosophy. Most of you reading this thread know far more about the role of venous drainage, CSF flow, the skull, the spine and upright posture etc., in neurodegenerative processes than most chiropractors.


Dr F I hear you and we would have a great conversation over days of talking I'm sure.

I wanted to put some balance out there by posting articles on standard Chiropractic treatment for you to comment on, so that we all could see that not all people are equal and that the care we are seeking comes from a percentage of Specialist Chiropractors, in my Country it is especially important to be clear on who can treat Upper Cervical misalignment issues related to flow problems of CSF and also Blood and those who 'believe' they are treating Atlas issues.

It's easy to spend a fortune on learning the hard way.

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby HappyPoet » Sat May 11, 2013 9:19 am

Hi Dr. Flanagan,

I took the liberty of posting cheer's comments as a new thread titled, "Cheer's excellent self-report on her Atlas adjustment," on the CCSVI subforum:
chronic-cerebrospinal-venous-insufficiency-ccsvi-f40/topic22237.html

HappyPoet wrote:
cheerleader wrote: ... I'm 3 weeks past my AO treatment by a local doctor recommended to me by Dr. Rosa. (I've had spondylosis from C2-7, migraine, dizziness, neck pain for many years) My atlas was rotated by several degrees, and since adjustment, I'm headache and dizziness free, and my neck no longer has sore spots. To say I'm a believer might be an understatement :)
thanks,
cheer

Cheer's self-report on Dr. Flanagan's thread, "CCVBP and CCSVI," is such excellent news, imho, that it should be shared with the entire CCSVI subforum.

Hopefully, everyone (Cece this includes you, too <g>) who reads cheer's post and Dr. Flanagan's thread will consider AO chiropractic (specific upper cervical) because a misaligned Atlas (C1 vertebra) can cause neuro symptoms from venous back pressure and impinged/blocked veins, arteries, nerves, and CSF and lymph flows.

Congratulations, cheer.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sat May 11, 2013 11:00 am

Thanks for the post and good news about Cheerleader.

There is still much more that can be done for neurodegenerative conditions of the brain and cord, such as equally specific treatment of the lower spine for patients like you, Dania, Blossom, Nueva and many others.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon May 13, 2013 1:36 pm

Blossom,
I sent you some names of doctors with good alternative Flexion-distraction tables. Hopefully they are wheelchair accessible and willing to handle disabled patients. Maybe we will get lucky this time.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby blossom » Tue May 14, 2013 11:14 pm

thank you dr. flanagan.
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