CCSVI and CCVBP

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:53 am

I couldn't agree more. In addition to the affect of inversion flows on cranial and spinal venous compartments, my theory considers the impact of inversion flows and more importantly, the dissociation of CSF flow between the cranial and spinal compartments. Moreover, I added the impact of upright posture of venous blood and CSF flow into the spinal canal which everyone else ignored. In their search for the cause of NPH, Hakim and Adams only considered and looked for blockages to CSF flow inside the cranial vault. They essentially stopped at the foramen magnum. It has been my theory for over thirty years that one of the most likely places for obstrcution to occur is the craniocervical junction. It can also occur in the lower spinal canal.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:12 am

blossom wrote:...i'd be willing to bet the farm that if they took say dania or i and took a lying down position and let us position what we could our way--then an upright mri doing the same--and hear how they explain all the differences in flow etc. then observe us one on one positioning and movement. then block out their thoughts about ms totally of what they have been taught. if there would be even one ounce of common sence used they would have to conclude mechanical, structural - not a disease.. at least in mine and dania's case. and, many others.


You are absolutely right Blossom. Upright and postitional MRIs would show decreased blood and CSF flow in patients like you and Dania. In cases like yours, I use standard and special provocative positional muscles tests. I would check your arm and hand muscles with head and neck in flexion, extension and rotation. Most likely you will show differences in strength. I also use neck positon to further challenge and check leg strength in some patients.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:21 am

Just an observation. I tired stem cells in Oct 2009. For me and ALL the others that were there at the same time, it initially helped all, except me (no change) but now myself and all the others have declined further. I ran fever every time I received an injection of stem cells. The ONLY difference between myself and the others was I DID NOT participate in physio. Everyone else did. And they all loved it. Their conditions improved while doing physio. I believe that is why those people improved initially. When everyone returned home they did not receive physio. Dr Flanagan and others (me included) believer this is a CSF problem. Possibly originating from compression in the cervical spine (neck)? Exercising to strengthen the muscles, especially in the neck will keep the neck/posture in the correct position and keep symptoms at bay. I showed no symptoms of MS for 17 years. And I was an gym junkie. Weight training with HEAVY weights. 5-7times/week. It was when I stopped going to the gym my condition started to decline and decline.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:55 pm

uprightdoc wrote:I couldn't agree more. In addition to the affect of inversion flows on cranial and spinal venous compartments, my theory considers the impact of inversion flows and more importantly, the dissociation of CSF flow between the cranial and spinal compartments. Moreover, I added the impact of upright posture of venous blood and CSF flow into the spinal canal which everyone else ignored. In their search for the cause of NPH, Hakim and Adams only considered and looked for blockages to CSF flow inside the cranial vault. They essentially stopped at the foramen magnum. It has been my theory for over thirty years that one of the most likely places for obstrcution to occur is the craniocervical junction. It can also occur in the lower spinal canal.


Dr F I think there is a trend to look further happening regarding degenerative diseases. The learning is occurring that there are Vascular and CSF problems that are a piece of the picture, and there is realisation that there is and has always been an involvement of inflammation.

The belief in either field has not connected together and moved ahead progressively intellectually because Medicine has separated Specialities and is Funded by the Greed Industry or the Drug Industry or lack of Professional Integrity what ever words you choose for that side of Ill health.

Dr F where in your theory on degenerative disease do the Inflammation and Immune System involvement (Scientific known factors) link in?

Do you have a theory on Pathogen incidences (Scientific known factor) in degenerative diseases that links to your theory?

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:06 pm

Nigel,
Autoimmune and inflammatory condtions definitely play a role in many cases of probable or possible MS. Except for their role in cleaning up debris I don't think the immune system or inflammation play a key role in the cause of AD, PD and its variants, or HD. Cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, toxins and genetics are more likely causes than inflammation.
On the other hand, autoimmune-inflammatory conditions play a role in connective tissue disorders, vascular degeneration, endocrine disorders, bowel and digestive disorders, allergies, atopy, anemias, chronic fatigue syndromes, migraines, etc.

My theory is that, in most cases of AD and PD, when pathogens are found, they are more likely due sluggish blood and CSF flow. Instead of pathogens secondary Parkinson's is known to be caused by many neurotoxins such as alchohol, carbon monoxide, manganese, pesticides and cocaine.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:11 pm

uprightdoc wrote:Nigel,
Autoimmune and inflammatory condtions definitely play a role in many cases of probable or possible MS. Except for their role in cleaning up debris I don't think the immune system or inflammation play a key role in the cause of AD, PD and its variants, or HD. Cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, toxins and genetics are more likely causes than inflammation.
On the other hand, autoimmune-inflammatory conditions play a role in connective tissue disorders, vascular degeneration, endocrine disorders, bowel and digestive disorders, allergies, atopy, anemias, chronic fatigue syndromes, migraines, etc.

My theory is that, in most cases of AD and PD, when pathogens are found, they are more likely due sluggish blood and CSF flow. Instead of pathogens secondary Parkinson's is known to be caused by many neurotoxins such as alchohol, carbon monoxide, manganese, pesticides and cocaine.


The more I read about the ability of bacteria to modify DNA of a host cell and incorporate it into their own and the stealth ability of bacteria with bio-films plus the modification of the hosts immune system I am seeing a pattern of multiple pathogens working together to create an environment to suit them and their needs. Not just one bacteria form but several to modify Humans and cause symptoms that vary from Human to Human.
Using the host mitochondria to supply a food source the bacteria are able to change the host to suit because of the different 'skills' of many forms of bacteria.
I don't think Western Medicine has taken bacteria seriously until recently, it is another field in Medicine that has been understudied for several reasons such as the Funding providers not being able to compete with Natural/Herbal treatments.
The other aspect is of course that Technology has not evolved to study the life and harm of Bacteria. Only 0.4 % of the bacteria found on Humans is 'known' to Science.

The standard Western Medical view of bacterial involvement is centuries behind Eastern and other Alternative Health purely because studies of Herbs for instance are not profit making, that simple!

It is surprising how often there are diseases like MS and Lyme that share symptoms and yet there is no research that answers why!
Denial of the treat that Lyme Disease has on the World Populations is also staggeringly corrupt!

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:14 am

Something to think about.
This is Dr Klinghardt a very well respected Dr and a man who has spoken at CCSVI Conferences as well as many Advisory Seminars;
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... e=1&ref=nf

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:19 am

Nigel,
I checked out Dr. Klinghardts website the last time you posted it. There is nothing new about Dr. Klinghardts methods or treatments and I don't agree with most of it. His ART (autonomic reflex testing) is taken from Applied Kinesiology methods of combining sublingual and touch type challenges with muscle testing. It's not new at all and a lot of it is bogus just like the bad muscle testing done by the showman dentist that Dania posted. Chelation therapy for heavy metals goes back to when I started in practice. Everyone was doing hair analysis for heavy metals at the time. Ion cleasers are bogus. Ionizing and deionizing were big when I was a newbie. The Bemer Impulse therapy device is silly. Massage mattresses are far cheaper and just as effective at moving blood and lymph. Standing upright and exercising is far better. Color therapy goes back to when I started in practice as well. It was popular in Applied Kinesiology at the time. It's still used. It's goofy. The Neural Therapy is simply trigger point therapy that use procaine (novacaine). Procaine is a cousin of cocaine. It's a neurotoxin that "deadens" nerves for pain. Trigger point therapy was started by Dr. Janet Travell. Travell was one of president John Kennedy's physicians that helped get him addicted to drugs. Travell contributed a lot to our understanding or muscles but trigger point therapy using anesthetics is really ancient "old school" that doesn't even work that well. I don't agree with Dr. Klinghardt regarding the cause of autism or Alzheimer's, which he attributes to heavy metals. That's "old school" as well.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:57 am

Nigel,
Dr. John Diamond is a highly repected doctor who has lectured internationally and is a best selling author. Dr. Diamond started Behavioral Kinesiology which he took from Applied Kinesiology started by a chiropractor Dr. George Goodheart. Goodheart contributed a great deal to muscle testing but it turned into a circus especially when dentists got involved. It's even worse in the hands of medical doctors. Check out the links below and have fun. Knock yourself out. There are even some helpful hints on do it yourself muscle testing to check out your chakras as well as adverse effects of EMF. Anyone can be an expert. Just some food for thought. Personally, I think I'll pass. I have had my fill of bull - enough to keep me full for a long time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Diamond_(doctor)
http://www.amazon.com/Your-Body-Doesnt-John-Diamond/dp/0446358479
http://www.advancedliving.com/muscletest.ivnu
http://www.cocreationsunlimited.com/truth/kinesiology.html
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:46 am

I just received this from my neurologist.

I could offer the following:
- we could do conventional ultra-sound imaging of the neck to see if there is now a surgically induced obstruction - this type of problem would then fall into the expertise of vascular surgeons - perhaps they would do other tests including whether there was obstruction of nerves and vessels feeding the neck/arms muscles.

At last, someone is taking me seriously. Dr Flanagan what should they be looking at exactly?
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:12 am

dania wrote:...Exercising to strengthen the muscles, especially in the neck will keep the neck/posture in the correct position and keep symptoms at bay. I showed no symptoms of MS for 17 years. And I was an gym junkie. Weight training with HEAVY weights. 5-7times/week. It was when I stopped going to the gym my condition started to decline and decline.


Dania, It would be interesting to see what plain view x-rays of your spine look like.

You can't beat exercise no what condition you are in. When it comes to fitness there is something for everyone. The problem is the way we currently view exercise in the west. Most sports are destructive to health. Many thing we do for fitness are likewise destructive such as long distance running. To make matters worse, an academic with expertise in physical anthropology, not health care or clinical sciences, convinced many people that barefoot running is the best way to run. It's so absurd I don't have the time or space to address why he is wrong here but many runners will pay the price. Long distance cycling isn't much better.

I took my certification course for fitness trainer many years ago through the International Sports and Science Association which was started by Dr. Fred Hatfield a world champion powerlifter and Dr. Sal Arria a competitive powerlifter, bodybuilder and chiropractor. At the time, I was shodan in Shorin-ryu and Kobodo-ryu and a sandan in Goju-ryu karate. I discussed starting a martial arts program with them. Their program mostly focused on the science of extreme weight training, such as supersets, pliometrics, and dynamic core strengthening exercises using Roman chairs etc., as well as tons of supplements. I lost interest. It was far from natural and abusive. Eastern exercises tend to be more balanced but karateka also do many destructive things as well such as makawari training and body conditioning. Yoga is actually associated with the most serious injuries including strains and neuropathies, including strokes. We need more common sense when it comes to exercise. It doesn't make sense to beat ourselves up trying to achieve fitness and maintain health.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:23 am

Dania,
They should check blood flow in the three sections of the vertebral artery, especially the last section between the skull and atlas. They can also check blood flow in you chest and arm and rule out a thoracic outlet (TOS) and subclavian steal syndromes. You are a potential candidate for both syndromes. US is not the best way to check the impact of the scar tissue on the nerves and blood vessels in your upper neck. It would be better to do standard TOS and muscle tests. As I mentioned previously, I also use provocative muscles tests.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:33 am

Nigel,
The links below are to Autonomic Reflex Testing for pets using a surrogate. Even vets are getting into corny kinesiology but why bother with vets and doctors when you can do it yourself.

http://alternativecancer.us/animal_test.htm
http://www.healing-with-eft.com/surrogate-eft.html
http://www.synergistickinesiology.com/holistic_veterinarian_natural_health_animals.html
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:45 am

The link below is to the site of the QiQong Therapy Machine. It was designed by a very smart Asian medical doctor with a PhD. A PhD makes him twice as smart as the average medical doctor. Some of the claimed clinical uses of the QiQong machine are similar to Bemar Therapy. I tried a QiQong machine in my office and compared it to my gold standard physiotherapy equipment, especially my ultrasound units, as well as my G5 massager. It was completely useless compared to everything else I had and it couldn't even be submersed in water like ultrasound. It wasn't nearly as effective as a simple teishin hammer for acupuncture. It's easy to see and feel the affects of ultrasound when used in water. I also liked combi ultrasound. Standard physiotherapy works. There is nothing magical about it.

Patients are easy to fool, especially when medical doctors with impressive sounding resumes and celebrities make claims. Some patients even believe that doctors with degrees in dentistry have training and expertise in conditions related to the spine. I have known, treated and been treated by many dentists. Except for the mouth, and orthodontists, most dentists know very little about the skull, let alone the spine and extremities. Some patients even think that psychiatrists have adequate training to diagnose their musculoskeletal disorders when studies have shown that the average physician is poorly trained in diagnosing and treating musculoskeletal disorders. Some doctors are just as easily duped. Obviously, many, even vets, bought into bogus kinesiology muscle testing.

http://www.elixa.com/QiGong/Qigong.htm
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:43 am

Dr Flanagan, my neurologist who works at the Montreal Neurological Hospital, has offered the following.

- we could do conventional ultra-sound imaging of the neck to see if there is now a surgically induced obstruction - this type of problem would then fall into the expertise of vascular surgeons - perhaps they would do other tests including whether there was obstruction of nerves and vessels feeding the neck/arms muscles.
if you would want to have any tests done thorough our facility, I would need to see you first in order to be able to arrange these.- I would evaluate the status of the MS itself. I would need you to get a referral from a Quebec physician to whom we can provide results. We can also provide you with copies of any data we have.

This neurologist ONLY deals with MS patients. I would like, at the very least open his mind to the possibility that my problems are not from MS. Having said that, exactly what tests/scans and what type of doctors would you recommend in order not to waste time and money.
http://muhc.ca/research/researcher/jack-p-antel-md
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