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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:04 am

Hi Blossom,

I don't know anything about Body Talk but it's all talk and no science. Temporal and other tapping methods was taken from Applied Kinesiology. The dog may have injured its back before the people found it. Strains and sprains typically heal on their own. If it was abandoned it was probably drinking bad water. Street water is contaminated with petrochemicals from cars which will elevate liver enzymes. Bringing the dog home and feeding it good food and clean water most likely lowered the liver enzymes.

I am not familiar with the particular methods used in the Muscle Energy Techniques program but they are very similar to other methods of stretching, strengthening, mobilizing, balancing and rehabilitating muscles and joints, such as Post Isometric Relaxation, Propriceptive Neuromuscular Faciliation, as well as many others.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby vesta » Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:03 am

Dr Flanagan. Maybe you should just say "I don't know anything about Body Talk" and leave it at that. I really object to the notion that there is just one person (you for instance) in the universe who can help Blossom. She needs to work with what she finds available. She may find a gifted gypsy healer who can intuitively re-align her skeleton, science or no. (Sometimes science has to catch up with practice.) When I was a ballet dancer we had an "illegal" body worker who could do wonders putting the body structure back into place. Of course, that is always a tricky question, he could have been a dangerous incompetent. I wonder if she shouldn't check sports medicine therapists? Also, there are Kinesiologists in the Pittsburgh area. Maybe her massage therapist has entry into a healing network. I also suspect that Blossom is highly intuitive and she should use that skill to find a solution. Arguing with a Neurologist is a waste of time and energy, no point in it. In fact, their negativity is dangerous to the morale. Negativity in general is dangerous to health.

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:14 am

Thanks for the advice Vesta but I have very strong opinions. When a patient asks a question, I always give them my professional expert honest straight forward opinion based on decades of education and experience in health care and clinical sciences, not to mention neurodegenerative conditions. I know what pesudoscience is and after reading Body Talk's webpage, it isn't worth one minute of my time to look into it any further.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:44 am

In addition to Body Talk, Behavioral Kinesiology, Touch for Health and plethora of different types of "Corny Kinesiolgy" methods out there, I don't know anything about the healing touch therapies used below. For those of you who are interested they do offer courses and certification certificates. Once you are certified you can open your own school and teach others. In just a couple of weekends you could master both Kinesiology and Body Talk and work on people with serious challenging neurodegenerative conditions like hydrocephalus, Chiari malformations, craniocervical junction malformations, spondylosis, stenosis, scoliosis, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, MS, ALS, traumatic brain injuries, strokes etc.

http://www.justtouch.com/
http://www.oldturtle1.com/biomag.html
http://www.healingtouchinternational.org/?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=124
http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/manualhealingandphysicaltouch/therapeutic-touch
http://healingtouchforlife.com/classes/
http://www.healingenergies.com/courses.html
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby vesta » Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:33 am

Is Applied Kinesiology scientific? How about Acupuncture? Wasn't the latter practiced for centuries without being anointed as "scientific" (assuming it has been.) Think of how drug companies are scouring the world looking for herbal remedies in use for millennia - after finding the active ingredient they try to patent the plant and stop natives from using it.(Happened in India.) Thanks for the resource list. Touch For Health isn't there. You are exaggerating in implying energy healers claim to treat all those conditions. Are you sure Applied Kinesiology isn't "Corny Kinesiology"? Neurologists think so. Sounds like sour grapes on your part. I urge everyone to learn some self help energy technique. I use TENS acupressure on myself and can stop an MS attack. Do I care if my technique isn't recognized by "science"? No.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:21 am

It's not sour grapes at all Vesta. It's called knowledge. I learned a great deal from many years in Applied Kinesiology but a lot of it was on the fringes and of little clinical value such as Chapman, Bennet, cloacal and skin reflexes to name a few. What's worse, it spawned Corny Kinesiology, which isn' t kinesiology at all, and doesn't use muscle testing. Instead, it uses muscles as divining rods. Mesmer was so overwhelmed with patients using his brand of magnetic healing that he had to connect them to wires so that he could treat more than one person at a time. Acupuncture is based on practical and effective recorded clinical observations and experiences passed down over millenia by many thousands of trained country and court physicians, as well as barefoot dotors. The methods I use are all based on sound science, including recognized clinical sciences, not Corny Kinesiology. Corny Kinesiology is for lazy minds that don't want to work or think too hard.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:48 pm

The link below is to the Cortices Treatment used in Body Talk. The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. It's the illusion of knowledge. Body Talk is simply another rebranded and remarketed version of Corny Kinesiology based on an illusion.

http://www.bodytalksystem.com/videos/category.cfm?id=4#video_box_15
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:53 pm

PlantTalk
"Utilizing the same principles that have made it work so well for people and animals, BodyTalk has evolved to help all kinds of living organisms. Out of the foundation of BodyTalk grew PlantTalk. Like humans, plants need to have improved communication and synchronization within their internal systems as well as between themselves and their environments.

When a plant is healthy, it is naturally more resistant to diseases, drought and insect attacks. PlantTalk has demonstrated amazing results in the health of trees and house plants, and has been shown to increase yields in crops and gardens.

Like BodyTalk, PlantTalk is non-invasive and safe and complements the specific growth requirements of particular plants any time during their growth cycle. PlantTalk can be learned and used by any layperson with basic BodyTalk training. It is currently taught as a component of BodyTalk Founder, John Veltheim's BodyTalk Interactive course. PlantTalk is a great asset to anyone who grows plants, is responsible for land, or wants to help improve any plant and its environment."
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:17 pm

EarthTalk

Environmental issues are very high on the BodyTalk agenda. The dynamics between mankind, animals, plants, and minerals is a delicate balance involving complex energetic relationships.

The BodyTalk System already has in place effective procedures for addressing human's, plant's, and animal's health needs. These principles can be applied on specific ecosystems -incrementally- from a garden to a small wetland to whole ecosystems to bring about lasting, ongoing changes. The BodyTalk System is working to develop positive solutions with the potential for playing a significant role in reestablishing a healthy planet.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:44 pm

uprightdoc wrote:Beta amyloid and herpes simplex are effects not the cause of Alzhiemer's. Helico bacter pylori is an effect of dysautonomia in Parkinson's not the cause of PD.


Hi Dr F,
I hear that there is a link between symptoms and dx label, BUT is it also true that if the "effects" are treated the "dx" changes and often resolves?

I have seen the same occur with your insights with de-generative disease symptoms and also the theory that the diseases have occurred following injury and trauma.

My situation is another example where the bulk of the symptoms are directly related to the bacterial infection and my injury history, so does this mean that looking for a cause is a waste of time and money and that quality assessment and thorough examination and monitoring as treatments are 'tried' is the best approach to degenerative disease?

It would appear also that as we become more disabled and dysfunctional that managing and treating symptoms often changes the whole picture of an assumed dx. It the symptoms are treated separately then there is often a base issue that is left that is seemingly separate from the 'normal' definition of a degenerative disease. By that I mean a person who is dx-ed with MS is treated in many ways and it is found that the original or beginning 'cause' was for instance vascular malformation, or neck injury from sports, or bacterial infections over time.

I have many articles on many aspects of treatment types in MS and for some they work brilliantly and others no change. It seems to highlight that the system for identifying symptoms and there cause is the problem more than the lack of dx labels such as RRMS or SPMS or PPMS or Lyme or CCSVI and so on with the distractions away from the search of cause of each individual symptom.

'dx' is a label for a collection of symptoms which in 'MS' is broad group of fluctuating and evolving disabilities and dysfunctions which can also be a collection of many other diseases and injuries lumped into one dx label and called 'MS'.

Assessment and treatment of symptoms will be of use, but a label means nothing to managing symptoms. A label purely means patients can be pigeon holed and used as income sources in some cases and in other cases are a drain on Society.

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:12 pm

It's definitely not a waste a time or money to search for the cause of neurodegenerative conditions. Finding the cause can lead to prevention and early intervention, as well as better treatment. Quality assesment and thorough examination and monitoring as treatments are "tried" sounds like a good approach to me for treating patients with neurodegenerative diseases. However, except for myself, I don't see many other doctors doing quality assesments and thorough examinations.

Diagnostic labels can be somewhat helpful in many types of conditions but not when it comes to neurodegenerative conditions, which remain a mystery for the most part. It's far more effective to treat the patients particular signs, symptoms, physiology and pathology. You can't get rid of some types of damage that you inherit or acquire in life. You have deal with it.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby 1eye » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:37 pm

Thanks. If I don't need it yet, I know people who do.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:14 pm

Fantastic invention. Excellent ergonomics.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby dania » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:07 pm

uprightdoc wrote:Fantastic invention. Excellent ergonomics.
I am seriously thinking of getting one. I think it would be the best way for me, to perhaps walk again. Today I noticed I was able to get myself very close to being perfectly upright and I was no longer dizzy. I am always dizzy when seated. If I am fully reclined or upright standing I am not.
Time for a fundraiser. Not that crazy expensive, around $16,000. When I think of the money I have spent trying to get well. Stem cells, multiple angioplasties, multiple vein bypass surgeries, airfare for treatments, supplements, spinal decompression. osteopath. All this has drained my retirement fund. Wiser but poorer.
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