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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Robnl » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:39 am

uprightdoc wrote:Robert,
Your MRI and CT angiogram show a head tilt to the right. Specific upper cervical x-rays would be helpful.


X-rays from the same point of view i suppose....
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:08 am

Upper cervical x-rays are much more specific. They focus the beam on the upper cervical spine from three different perspectives. One is from the side and is called a lateral. One is through the nose. It's called a nasium. The third view is from the bottom of the skull looking up to the top. It's called a base posterior. Some upper cervical doctors prefer to take the view from the top of the skull down, which is called a vertex view. Old schoold chiropractors like me used open mouth odontoid views instead of the nasium. Specific upper cervical doctors also use head clamps in ensure proper alignment for the views.

You look large. How much do you weigh and how tall are you?
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby HappyPoet » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:11 am

Rob, my chiro took a special odontoid X-ray with my mouth open so a front view of the C1 vertebra could be seen. Maybe that's one of the types of "specific" upper cervical X-rays DrF mentions?

DrF, do you happen to make house calls? J/k, but I do want to get back to you as soon as possible so I can get back to the point where you made me feel like a new person. :)

Also, DrF, some questions about Rob's case:

1. What number of degrees off the horizontal plane do you estimate is Rob's C1?
2. Can you estimate how much in length in inches one leg of Rob's is longer than the other when a leg-length check is done?
3. Can you tell which of his legs will be the shorter leg?
4. Although not shown on the images provided, his C1 could also be rotated, yes?
5. Is there a third axis/plane of measurement in which the C1 can roll forward or backward?
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby HappyPoet » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:12 am

We cross-posted, DrF.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Robnl » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:05 pm

uprightdoc wrote:Upper cervical x-rays are much more specific. They focus the beam on the upper cervical spine from three different perspectives. One is from the side and is called a lateral. One is through the nose. It's called a nasium. The third view is from the bottom of the skull looking up to the top. It's called a base posterior. Some upper cervical doctors prefer to take the view from the top of the skull down, which is called a vertex view. Old schoold chiropractors like me used open mouth odontoid views instead of the nasium. Specific upper cervical doctors also use head clamps in ensure proper alignment for the views.

You look large. How much do you weigh and how tall are you?


Hi doc,

Ha, i'm 1.74m and about 65kg, so....wrong guess :mrgreen:
Will speak about xrays with the Chiro next monday. Or the gp, he's on my 'team'
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Robnl » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:10 pm

Happypoet,

Really appreciate your opinion/questions...go on!
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:53 pm

HappyPoet wrote: DrF, do you happen to make house calls? J/k, but I do want to get back to you as soon as possible so I can get back to the point where you made me feel like a new person. :)

Also, DrF, some questions about Rob's case:

1. What number of degrees off the horizontal plane do you estimate is Rob's C1?
2. Can you estimate how much in length in inches one leg of Rob's is longer than the other when a leg-length check is done?
3. Can you tell which of his legs will be the shorter leg?
4. Although not shown on the images provided, his C1 could also be rotated, yes?
5. Is there a third axis/plane of measurement in which the C1 can roll forward or backward?


Hello Poet,
I used to make house calls. I treated many patients in such severe spasms they can hardly move. I have had to treat some in bed and some on the floor. It's a challege to work on someone on a bed or the floor.

In answer to your questions. You can't get specific listings from non-specific images and I don't use upper cervical images to determine leg length discrepancy. I can't tell from but I suspect that C1 and C2 are rotated to the right similar to the lower cervicals seen in the images posted above. As for a third plane of motion, C1 glides foward and backward on the condyles in a rocker type fashion. The primary motion of C1 is nodding. Old school UC chiros refer to it as anterior or posterior displacement relative to the side of laterality. A head tilt right is associated with laterality or side slip of C1 to the left.

I may need your husband to make a house call but that's a different story.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby HappyPoet » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:45 am

uprightdoc wrote:Hello Poet,

I may need your husband to make a house call but that's a different story.

I'll send you his cell number. Also, thanks for all the answers to my questions.

Rob, thanks for posting your images. I (re)learned a lot of information! Please keep us posted.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Robnl » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:21 am

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xray from ct, sideways....this afternoon hopefully an ok for xrays...
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Robnl » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:07 am

Hi Doc,

I also want xrays for my total spine seen fro the back. When you look at the ct scan few post earlier, in my opinion the spine is not straight., There is a slight curve.
I read something about scoliosis, so i want to see the total spine...

Rgds,

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:03 pm

Hello Robert,
The curve in your cervical spine should arch forward toward your chin. You have a mild reversal of the curve called a kyphosis that is a chronic strain or deformation. You also can see the compression deformation in your vertebral endplates that I mentioned previously. If you have a mild scoliosis it is further evidence of trauma.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Robnl » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:57 am

Hi doc,

Is it normal that i'm extremely tired between the 2nd and 5th day after treatment?

Rgds,

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:40 pm

Hello Robert,
It's preferrable to have improvement from the first visit. It is alright if you are a little sore for the first several visits but other than soreness there should be no negative signs or symptoms, including fatigue.

What type of professional are you seeing and what type of treatment are they doing?
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Robnl » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:20 pm

Hi doc,

I only see the chiropractor right now, dont know if there are any improvements at this moment,
I want to try some exercises; F.e. Try to stand up from the couch, walk more behind the walker,
This weekend swimming hopefully, oct 22th physiotherapist, walking belt and leg press.
Oct 28th next appt. with chiropractor.

He tries to correct the spine, does neck movements and chiropractors treatment for the spine.
He's got all our conversations...
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Robnl » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:11 am

Hi Doc,

Next monday X-rays.....
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