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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:06 pm

The link below is to an article in "Popular Science."

As I predicted in my book, the damage to the eye is due to inversion flows during mircorgravity causing glaucoma and normal pressure hydrocephalus. As I mentioned to Dr. Harshfield and NASA researchers previously, I suspect that astronauts with relatively narrow iridocorneal angles are probably predisposed to glaucoma and damage to the optic nerve during prolonged mircrogravity. Some astronauts faint or collapse on re-entry. As I further explained, it is most likely due to low levels of CSF needed for flotation to support the brain during upright posture and earth's gravity. The decrease in volume is due to a decrease in the passive production of CSF which occcurs as a result of the affect of gravity and upright posture on the permeability of the blood-brain and CSF barrier. Upright posture cause an increase in the CSF pressure gradient, which causes the BBB to weep or leak if you prefer.



http://www.popsci.com/article/science/astronauts-and-mice-return-space-altered-eyes
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Robnl » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:40 pm

uprightdoc wrote:Hello Robert,
I will PM you with my contact information.


Thx doc,

Chiro wants to know/learn about the connection between neurodegenerative diseases and the spine.

Had treatment this evening, same as 1st time

Rgds,

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:47 am

Robert,
The doctor can learn about the role of the spine in neurodegenerative diseases by reading my website and blog. They are written for patients and professionals.

http://uprightdoctor.wordpress.com/

http://www.upright-health.com/Upright-Doctor-book.html
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Robnl » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:24 am

uprightdoc wrote:Robert,
The doctor can learn about the role of the spine in neurodegenerative diseases by reading my website and blog. They are written for patients and professionals.

http://uprightdoctor.wordpress.com/

http://www.upright-health.com/Upright-Doctor-book.html


i know doc, and i gave him the uprightdoc url...

Well, we'll see....he's enthousiastic :mrgreen:
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby Robnl » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:14 am

Robnl wrote:
uprightdoc wrote:Robert,
The doctor can learn about the role of the spine in neurodegenerative diseases by reading my website and blog. They are written for patients and professionals.

http://uprightdoctor.wordpress.com/

http://www.upright-health.com/Upright-Doctor-book.html


i know doc, and i gave him the uprightdoc url...

Well, we'll see....he's enthousiastic :mrgreen:


Chiro send me a mail, he's reading and reading....good! :lol:
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby vesta » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:32 am

uprightdoc wrote:From my experience, about two-thirds of the cases of MS are related to structural causes. Inflammation is a common finding in acute and chronic structural strains. The other third of the cases have been related to migraine autoimmune-inflammatory type conditions. I haven't seen any cases related to frank infections yet. Sluggish blood, lymph and CSF circulation, however, leads to the accumulation of metabolic wastes and pathogens that can cause inflammation and immunological reactions. By the time MS signs and symptoms show up it's typically a combination of problems, including orthopedic problems that tend to get overlooked. Everyone is different I like to fix what I find rather than trying to find something to fix that isn't broken. Blossom and Robert's weaknesses are mostly due to compression stress but also tension and shear stresses. Both have significant weakness in their extremities and both have significant cervical spondylosis. Happet Poet has spondylosis from stem to stern causing some compression issues but mostly severe arthritis type inflammation due to multiple structural problems in the spine. She has very little weakness but the pain and inflammation provoke severe muscle spasms, including the dreaded hug. Dania has similar problems to Blossom causing compression strains on the cord with severe pain and inflammation more like Happy Poet but without the spasms. She also has significant muscle weakness in her legs like Robert and like Robert and Blossom, she has significant spondylosis in her cervical as well as the rest of her spine. Although the degeneration in your spine doesn't seem as bad compared to Happy Poet, Dania and Blossom, because of your signs and symptoms I suspect the spine is the major culprit in your case as well.


Hello upright doc: So you don't agree that it is a blood reflux/back jet which injures the CNS?
How do you see the recoveries of those whose veins have been "ballooned" open through angioplasty?Please clarify. Thanks
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:52 pm

Hello Vesta,

I do agree that venous blood reflux is a probable cause of the supratentorial, periventricular and perivascular location of the classic MS lesions. Violent venous reflux most likely occurs in whiplash type injuries. The course the venous blood follows from the vertebral veins into the brain is determined by the layout of the cranial vault and dural sinuses. Racial and gender differences affect the layout of the dural sinuses. I suspect that the design of the European skull is more predisposed of venous reflux into the supratentorial periventricular and perivenous areas. The design of the Asian and African skull is better designed to mitigate reflux. Females have smaller designs, which makes likewise makes them more susceptible to inversion flows that reach deep into the brain.

In my opinion, venoplasty causes a siphon effect that increases drainage of the the brain, which improves blood and CSF flow. It should be a consideration regardless of whether or not the patient has stenosis or faulty valves. In some cases in may eliminate the need for CSF shunts.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby MrSuccess » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:31 pm

thank you Dr.Flanagan for once again providing additional SCIENCE based thought provoking information , to the CCSVI> MS debate-puzzle.

What information you have provided and linked to ..... certainly makes perfect common sense.

Well done.

Maybe some of this common sense will one day ,penetrate some of the thick skulls of the "drugs-are-the answer " .... lobbyists.

Brother , it's an all uphill battle. :twisted:

Keep punching . :idea:

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:39 am

Your welcome Mr. Success. It is indeed an arduous uphill battle against some of the world's biggest numb-nuts. Knowledge, reason and science, however, will eventually prevail over drug propaganda.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby vesta » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:01 am

uprightdoc wrote:Hello Vesta,

I do agree that venous blood reflux is a probable cause of the supratentorial, periventricular and perivascular location of the classic MS lesions. Violent venous reflux most likely occurs in whiplash type injuries. The course the venous blood follows from the vertebral veins into the brain is determined by the layout of the cranial vault and dural sinuses. Racial and gender differences affect the layout of the dural sinuses. I suspect that the design of the European skull is more predisposed of venous reflux into the supratentorial periventricular and perivenous areas. The design of the Asian and African skull is better designed to mitigate reflux. Females have smaller designs, which makes likewise makes them more susceptible to inversion flows that reach deep into the brain.

In my opinion, venoplasty causes a siphon effect that increases drainage of the the brain, which improves blood and CSF flow. It should be a consideration regardless of whether or not the patient has stenosis or faulty valves. In some cases in may eliminate the need for CSF shunts.


Hello upright doc. Thanks for your response. How successful have you been in opening CNS "fluid" flows for MS patients through chiropractic manipulation alone? What other thérapies do you recommend? I assume the need for shunts means surgery, Have you been able to find surgeons to work with you in providing appropriate treatment?
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:28 am

Hello Vesta,
I can't say how successful I have been at opening up CSF fluid flows for MS patients using chiropractic care because until recently there was no way of imaging CSF flow. Upright MRI and Cine CSF and blood flow imaging are getting started. Dr. Scott Rosa is doing before and after Atlas Orthogonal correction upright MRI and Cine CSF and blood flow study in Latham, New York. Much more needs to be done regarding other methods of correction, as well as doing upright MRI and Cine flow studies in the lower spine.

As far as other therapies are concerned, in additon to specific upper cervical, craniosacral therapy can be very effective if used correctly. Applying craniosacral maneuvers correctly requires a higher understanding the pathology as well as specific structural strains. Most craniosacral practioners are far too subjective in their approach and have very little if any understanding of the pathology. Certain types of flexion-distraction should also be considered for correction and rehabilitation of the lower spine. Other physiotherapeutic equipment are also helpful. I especially like a modern acupuncture-like approach. I refer to my brand of an electrical acupuncture-like approach as Acu-Tens that's based more on anatomy, physiology, pathology, orthopedics and neurology rather than meridian names, which have no value from a clinical standpoint. Instead they tend to complicate diagnosis and treatment.

Shunts are surgical tubes and valves placed in the brain to drain and reroute CSF to elsewhere in the body to relieve CSF pressure and volume due to obstruction. Poking holes in brain tissues, called fenestrations, such as an endoscopic third ventriculostomy is considered an internal shunt. Unfortunately, surgeons aren't aware of my theory so they don't see or consider the connection between upright posture, the spine and neurodegenerative diseases. Shunts and surgical decompression of the spinal canal are options for certain cases that fail to respond to more conservative treatment.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby vesta » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:55 am

Hello upright doc: But the question remains, have MS patients recovered some lost function through Chiropractic manipulation, regardless of what shows up on diagnostic tests?
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby uprightdoc » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:50 pm

Yes. They have showed improvement in cerebellar tonsillar ectopia, dysautonomia, eye pain, tinnitis, trigeminal neuralgia, limb strength, gait, balance etc., without upright and cine MRI. Chiropractors have been reporting success with neurological and neurodegenerative conditions going as far back as BJ Palmer who started specific upper cervical technique and opened a sanatorium in Davenport, Iowa, where chiropractors sent the most difficult neurological cases to be treated. The number of cases treated and reported by chiropractors however, is far too small and the case studies don't meet todays rigorous standards. Much more needs to be done but that requires funding which hasn't been available for the past one hundred years and isn't likely to be available to any significant degree anytime in the near future. Upright and Cine MRI will be very useful for studying the affect of treatment of the spine on neurodegenerative conditions. It's important to understand the dynamics involved for possible surgical solutions as well.
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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby NZer1 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:38 am

uprightdoc wrote:Yes. They have showed improvement in cerebellar tonsillar ectopia, dysautonomia, eye pain, tinnitis, trigeminal neuralgia, limb strength, gait, balance etc., without upright and cine MRI. Chiropractors have been reporting success with neurological and neurodegenerative conditions going as far back as BJ Palmer who started specific upper cervical technique and opened a sanatorium in Davenport, Iowa, where chiropractors sent the most difficult neurological cases to be treated. The number of cases treated and reported by chiropractors however, is far too small and the case studies don't meet todays rigorous standards. Much more needs to be done but that requires funding which hasn't been available for the past one hundred years and isn't likely to be available to any significant degree anytime in the near future. Upright and Cine MRI will be very useful for studying the affect of treatment of the spine on neurodegenerative conditions. It's important to understand the dynamics involved for possible surgical solutions as well.


After having Upper Cervical adjustments and general Chiropractic care in NZ I am of the opinion that most Chiropractors are stuck with the original concept that nerve conduction was the primary focus in Chiropractic adjustments.

I have spent may hours discussing the details in your book Dr F and shown the outcomes from the Dr's Rosa and Damadian study to many Chiropractors in NZ including the Lead Teacher at the Chiropractic College who did my adjustments and blank looks were as good as I got!

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Re: CCSVI and CCVBP

Postby HappyPoet » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:15 pm

Hi Nigel,
I've been wanting to ask you this for a while now: How is the medical marijuana situation in NZ? Can pot be grown outside in NZ's climate? Is pot for medicinal reasons legal? If not legal, are the penalties harsh? Personally, I find it very helpful for my pain, spasticity, and sleep. Right now, I have a fantastic Blueberry strain that tastes delicious (when vaped) and makes my muscles feel like liquid. Hopefully, NZ is more compassionate than is NYS in this regard.

Hi vesta,
My MS Hug pains of which you are aware--you posted on my MS Hug thread in the general forum--always worsen when my C1 is out of alignment and always improve back to baseline (nothing will fix some of my permanent damage due to spondylosis) after my C1 is put back into alignment thanks to AO chiropractic care. Also, my ON eye pain and bilateral tinnitus both improved 100% thanks to craniosacral and accu-tens treatments by Dr Flanagan. Unfortunately, the tinnitus started to return this weekend.
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