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Interesting. And aren't many of the symptoms which seem to respond to treating CCSVI: cold extremities, weak voice, fatigue, etc., frequently associated with aging? In my case, for example, my voice had aged a lot faster than the rest of me: I sounded like my dad. This changed at once following procedure.

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dx rrms august 2009 (dx CFS spring 1988) off avonex after 3 months
treated katowice 24-25 march 2010 - best thing that ever happened - check tracking thread

Cheereo, please keep posting research like this. Always interesting.

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3 years antibiotics, 06/09 bilateral jug stents at C1, 05/11 ballooning of both jug valves, 07/12 stenting of renal vein, azygos & jug valve ballooning,

That was the first thing we noticed with my Dad, D...he lost his voice, it became a whisper. He'd fall asleep sitting on the couch, exhausted. And his hands and feet were cold. He was 77 when he died, so it's seen as "aging." But in you, a younger person...it's just not a good thing. His carotid arteries were checked, they were clear, his heart was checked, it was strong. No one looked at venous return. This seems to be a big question mark in medical studies. What about the jugular veins?

Yeah, Gibbs. I can't quit this research....like a bad boyfriend I've seen some more stuff on hypotension and venous return, and always think of you. Hope the baby is keeping you focused on all that is good and sweet and life-affirming. Babies rule.

I got a hold of the two complete Chung papers from my doctor buddy.
Here's more on the changing venous hemodynamics of aging.



So, it's the combo platter of a stretched out lumen, slower flow from the brain, reflux of blood and decreased blood flow volume that appears to be the problem in an aging patient. Dr. Chung later postulates that this is what created the ischemic white matter lesions in the elderly with LA.

This is very, very, very different than CCSVI in young people, where it is an occlusion in the jugular/azygos veins that is creating the slowed drainage and reflux. But the result of venous reflux is like the aging process....happening decades too soon.

Man, I wish the venous doctors would get together and do more research on the jugular veins in normal young people. What does "normal" jugular return look like? That's what we need to know.
cheer

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Husband dx RRMS 3/07
dx dual jugular vein stenosis (CCSVI) 4/09
dual stents placed 5/09
CCSVI in MS

A friend said that 'MS' was making us both 'prematurely old'. I did have the reversal of my vocal strength after Liberation. I think it has mostly lasted. The azygous drains the ribcage, and thus may have some effect on vocal power, IMO. When my other friend was near his death at the age of 30 from CCSVI he sounded very very old.

I think there is abundant ageism in the treatment of people generally, but also that it is a big part of the 'adios' that seems to happen when 'MS'/CCSVI becomes 'progressive'. Coincidentally, their voices often start to crack.

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Yes, as I said the other day on a different thread, my voice had got old (and recovered - at once - following liberation). With the other troubles I had, I had never been conscious of this one, but other people noticed the rejuvenation right away.
However in my case the azygous wasn't treated.
-d

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dx rrms august 2009 (dx CFS spring 1988) off avonex after 3 months
treated katowice 24-25 march 2010 - best thing that ever happened - check tracking thread