David1949 wrote:
What I find most surprising about this is that in insufficient valves blood can flow backward for up to 6.15 seconds. In other words it is flowing backward over a period of several heartbeats. My earlier understanding of reflux was that blood would flow in the normal direction during each heart beat but would flow backward between heartbeats. Am I reading the article correctly?
I think you are reading this correctly but I believe it is under Valsalva conditions. This is the other type of reflux (when the valve lets blood out but lets it back in again). In our type of reflux, the blood doesn't get out that way in the first place, so it refluxes back from the obstruction, but blood that gets past the obstruction (perhaps via collateral) will not backflow back through it again.
I'm ignoring all the descriptions of that other sort of reflux in these papers as irrelevant to CCSVI, it's why I considered the talk of frozen immobile valves in the jugular to be the salient detail.
However you make a very interesting point about reflux vs solid reverse flow. I'd not heard of reverse flow until I interpreted (or perhaps misinterpreted) the flow graphs that came with my Haacke protocol MRV. This is from the explanation for what the Haacke MRV results mean:
http://www.ms-mri.com/docs/ms-report-in ... mh-9pm.pdfQuote:
Five graphs are shown including; total integrated flow per cardiac cycle, flow rates in
the form of total, positive and negative, and average speed coincide with the magnitude and
phase images. These allow us to determine if there are abnormal flow patterns such as no flow,
reverse or reflux flow, and circulatory flow patterns (often the case for widened bulbous lower
levels in the internal jugular veins). If the flow curves for a given vein fall through zero and
change direction, then we refer to this as reflux flow. However, on occasion the vessel shows
flow in both directions at any given time. This we refer to as circulatory flow.
So those are the possible variations of flow in CCSVI: no flow, reverse or reflux, and circulatory flow. My own MRV appeared to show reflux (positive, then dropped past the zero to negative, then back to positive) in the azygous but in the jugulars and straight sinus it fluctuated within the negative side but never made it past the zero to the positive, which would seem to be reverse flow, which I don't hemodynamically understand.
A friend suggested that negative might mean positive and positive negative, but the azygous seems interpreted correctly; you'd expect the positive surge at the start of the cardiac cycle, then the drop to negative, then positive again, not the opposite.