EHC UK Newsletter (Price Increase)

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EHC UK Newsletter (Price Increase)

Postby danw » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:00 am

>>The Essential Health Clinic Newsletter December 2010

CCSVI
New Pricing for 2011

Over 40 CCSVI procedures have now been performed at the Edinburgh Clinic. Early results have been very encouraging and we are looking forward to taking this exciting treatment forward in the UK and also internationally. We are convinced that this is a huge treatment breakthrough for MS patients and complements our approach to this condition perfectly.

Azygous Lesions

We are committed to carrying out the angioplasty procedure in the most complete and thorough manner possible. It is essential to deal with any venous flow obstructions caused by CCSVI lesions during the procedure. This requires a thorough venography examination of the azygous vein as well as the internal jugular veins and then treatment. We have found over 95% of patients have azygous vein lesions which have required balloon angioplasty.

This has increased the length of time of the procedures and has impacted on staff and theatre costs which our provider has indicated will lead to an increase in charges in 2011. This will therefore have an impact on the cost of the procedure for any scheduled in 2011.

Intravenous Ultrasound (IVUS)

The team at the Edinburgh Clinic have been trialing the use of intravenous ultrasound (IVUS) in CCSVI treatment to see the lesions better and assess the completeness of the treatment. IVUS is a state of the art imaging technology which uses a miniature ultrasound probe and gives a 3D image from within the vein. This not only magnifies the imaging of the CCSVI lesions but also allows direct examination of the internal jugular valves.

As valvular lesions are crucially important in CCSVI and may well be the primary cause of jugular venous flow problems, it is vital to have good imaging of the valves to ensure the best treatment outcomes. Catheter venography used during the angioplasty procedure gives a one dimensional view of the vein and does not allow such close and direct imaging of venous valves.
IVUS also assess the completeness of treatment following ballooning. We are keen to avoid re-stenosis whenever possible and the use of IVUS to properly treat valves and stenotic lesions may well be a key element in this. We have therefore decided to make IVUS routinely available to all patients undergoing CCSVI treatment which will also have a significant impact on treatment costs. The IVUS probes are expensive and unfortunately are for single use only. No other CCSVI treatment centre in the world is currently using this technology routinely but in our effort to provide the best possible care for our patients and to try to prevent future expenditure on further treatments such as re-stenosis, we are committed to the availability of IVUS for our CCSVI treatment.

Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) Scanning

MRI Scanning of the brain and central nervous system is a non invasive scan which demonstrates the site and extent of the MS lesions. The gold standard for MS assessment is MRI brain scans. Professor Zamboni showed a significant reduction in brain lesions after CCSVI treatment and we hope to emulate these results in our centre. We are introducing this high technology assessment for all CCSVI patients undergoing treatment at the Edinburgh Clinic. Furthermore, MRI data collection will be key to promoting CCSVI treatment and monitoring treatment outcomes.

Increased Blood Analysis

It has also become clear that we need to increase the testing for blood clotting analysis. The damage to the lining of the veins produced by balloon angioplasty increases the risk of blood clotting which can be reduced by the use of blood thinning substances. Traditional blood thinning drugs (heparin and warfarin), carry some risks themselves and our preference has been to use high dose omega-3 and low dose aspirin to reduce these risks.
A recent pilot evaluation of the impact of high dose omega-3 supplementation on blood clotting factors showed this to have similar effects to blood thinning drugs without the potential side effects. Omega-3 levels can be measured with a simple blood test we have developed with Stirling University and the desired levels can be achieved by dietary means as well as the use of omega-3 supplements. Omega-3 has numerous other beneficial effects on cardiac and immune health. There have been some studies on MS showing beneficial effects which makes this a safe and attractive option for MS patients undergoing CCSVI treatment.

Treatment cost for 2011

In summary, we are committed to providing a world class service to our patients. The increase in staff costs due to increased theatre time, the use of IVUS, MRI scanning and increased blood testing have resulted in the total cost of CCSVI procedures in the UK now being £7,990 pounds. We appreciate that this is a substantial increase on existing costs but in order to continue to offer the best possible treatment, this increase has been unavoidable. It is now however possible to spread the costs over a longer period of up to 12 months. Please click here for more information.
For those people wanting a CCSVI Dopplar Scan ONLY, this will now increase to £525.

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Postby EJC » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:39 am

Emma will be undertaking this procedure at the EHC next week (27th Dec).

So far we're impressed with the professional way they are approaching the entire procedure.

I'll put together a report next week which will explain what they've done with our £'s and how it's effected Emma.
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Postby MarkW » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:12 am

The EHC has extended the scope of their service and the patient has to pay for this. Unfortunately this price increase will drive some people to travel outside the UK.
The EHC are correct in saying adequate time is needed for the diagnostic venogram. I hope that EHC allow patients to opt out of the MRI and pay a reduced fee. MRIs are a 'nice to have' good for research not essential for patients.

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Mark Walker - Oxfordshire, England. Registered Pharmacist (UK). 11 years of study around MS.
Mark's CCSVI Report 7-Mar-11:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8359854/MS-experts-in-Britain-have-to-open-their-minds.html
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Postby bretzke » Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:31 am

They are finding azygous problems in over 95% of patients?

Wow!

I wonder what they are doing different to get those results. Is it the IVUS?

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Postby BalsaBoy » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:48 pm

I don't understand why they've increased the price of the doppler scan from £450 to £525. There doesn't seem any reason behind it.
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Postby gibbledygook » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:07 pm

We have high levels of inflation in the UK. Latest retail price index was up nearly 5%...
3 years antibiotics, 06/09 bilateral jug stents at C1, 05/11 ballooning of both jug valves, 07/12 stenting of renal vein, azygos & jug valve ballooning,
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Postby dc10 » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:27 pm

UK people go to Belgium - Dr Beelen in OLV Hopsital

He charges 2000EURO / £1750 for balloon angfioplasty.

It took me 3 and a half hours to get from London to the Belgium hospital

Essential health clinic are ripping off sick people, its a crime
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Postby frodo » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:56 pm

dc10 wrote:UK people go to Belgium - Dr Beelen in OLV Hopsital

He charges 2000EURO / £1750 for balloon angfioplasty.

It took me 3 and a half hours to get from London to the Belgium hospital

Essential health clinic are ripping off sick people, its a crime


Just to play devil's advocate, maybe they are offering some extra care (Hospital beds, nurses, etc). Anyway I do not know about any of the clinics.
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Postby EJC » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:37 pm

dc10 wrote:UK people go to Belgium - Dr Beelen in OLV Hopsital

He charges 2000EURO / £1750 for balloon angfioplasty.

It took me 3 and a half hours to get from London to the Belgium hospital

Essential health clinic are ripping off sick people, its a crime


So you were scanned and fully treated for €2000?

including consultations, 6 month follow ups etc?

Please provide a breakdown of what you get for €2000 please.
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Postby dc10 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:29 pm

No i should of said, the /3200 was just for rhe treatment, balloon angfioplasty.

but they charge EURO 2900 = £2455 for all the testing/consulting/treatment, you tell me which is fairer:

£2455
or
£7900


you can book a follow up appointment after 10 weeks post liberation,
I dont know the charge for the check up, but i doubt its over 100 EURO, it definitly wont be £5500!
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Postby EJC » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:12 pm

I'm comfortable paying for the EHC having been there and seeing the time and effort they're putting into this along withthe back up available should it be required.

Am I being ripped off? I can't answer that without going through the same process and visiting the Belgian option, but I doubt it.

Without a direct comparison it's hard to actually know how any of these centres compare to one another (that's all of them). I've thrown my hat into the EHC.

You are only in a position to comment on the centre at which you took the treatment.

Do you consider all the other centres offering this treatment as rip offs despite never having been to any of them either?

At present there is no yard stick as to which of these centres is prviding the best service as there are no published results. Belgium could be the answer, so could Scotland, equally it could be the worst centre at which to spend your money and even at half price might be worthless.....right now no one knows so your statement is currently without foundation.

We'll all know a little more in another couple of years, you may be right, but equally you could be completely wide of the mark or not...time will tell.
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Postby EJC » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:38 pm

In a kind of related topic to this thread, It prompted me to search for the belgian treatement centre I stumbled across this post:-

http://my-darn-ms.blogspot.com/2010/12/ ... s-are.html

It made interesting reading and wasn't exactly complimentary towards the Katowice treatment then corrected in belgium.

It also makes reference to insurance etc, so maybe some of this treatement is subsidised over there?
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Postby dc10 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:07 pm

i appreciate what your saying EJC i am just talking about the financial differences for a very similar service

it offends me how much the EHC are charging MS patients for a very simple procedure and testing.

to me it comes across as taking advanage of the sick,

or maybe they have genuine reasons to inflate the price so drastically?

i have no problems with making a profit, but to this extent seems unfair
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Postby EJC » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:30 pm

Well Emma is in on Monday, I'll ask for a breakdown of how the charges are made up.
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Postby Coolcatcarrie » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:41 am

But your lucky aren't u ejc? Don't you get 2010 prices?x
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