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Here's a recent journal article on venous hypoxia:

http://content.karger.com/produktedb/pr ... doi=320624

Journal of Vascular Research
Vol. 48, No. 3, 2011

Venous Hypoxia: A Poorly Studied Etiological Factor of Varicose Veins



Slowed perfusion is a known symptom found in brain MRI's of people with MS. If blood is leaving the brain in a more deoxiginated state because it is traveling through the brain more slowly due to CCSVI, and if that is causing venous hypoxia of the IJVs, azygous, and for that matter of the blood vessels in the brain itself, then this study seems to indicate that it could be causing the vein wall remodeling seen in MS (change from collegen 1 to collegen 3) and even triggering the MS inflamatory and autoimmune process (leucocytes).

I know varicose veins are not the same as stenosed jugular veins, but this recent study seems to point toward a similar process at work (at least that's how it seems to my cog fog impaired, though previously very bright brain). I think I remember reading that the shift from collegen 1 to collegen 3 seen in vein tissue samples of people with CCSVI, also occurs in people with varicose veins.

This study does bring an interesting question to mind: If we are born with venous "birth defects" (inverted valves, etc), would it be more effective to balloon them early in life, before the vein walls become less elastic due to vein wall remodeling because of venous hypoxia? Would early intervention be less likely to restenose than it would later in life once the vein wall has become stiffer?

Speculating wildly of course (I have not yet read that vein hypoxia is a part of CCSVI, and I am not a medical professional), but its interesting!

Mary Ann

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if you search the forums for posts containing the term 'hypoxia' there are 412 results, extending back to 2004. if you read search results starting from the oldest and paging forward into the time frame when the ccsvi forum started, you start to see ccsvi topics with posts including the term hypoxia. here's an early example:
http://www.thisisms.com/ftopicp-52408.html#52408
happy reading!

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It seems to me like a self-perpetuating problem which will have a tendency to get worse over time. For that reason, rather than testing juveniles for CCSVI, they should be being treated! An ounce of prevention... The veins themselves are plugged somehow, which means not enough oxygen gets to the veins, so the veins get worse. 'MS' is a secondary effect!

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While it's good to read up on what's been said before, I see the conversations here as being more like at a party, where I might talk about hypoxic veins with one person at one point in the evening and have the same conversation, just as enjoyably, with another later on. (Not that I have ever talked about hypoxic veins at a party. But I totally would, if anyone were interested.)

I started a thread on this very research paper a few days ago and somehow ended up quitting diet coke almost immediately. Strange things can happen when discussing this topic.

If our blood is hypoxic enough to affect the brain, it is likely hypoxic enough to affect the veins, which exist in a state of low oxygen to begin with. (That came up in the intimal hyperplasia research.) I agree with what you've posted.

YAY!!!! Great news, Cece.
It's an excellent paper, no matter how many times we all read it. Dr. Zamboni's original premise, The Big Idea, was that varicosities and ulcers in the legs looked like MS lesions. He was looking at it from the iron deposition angle, but the hypoxic angle is equally intriguing--and the two can certainly be co-existant. The vein remodeling from Collagen type I to Collagen type III is another piece of the puzzle. It's all connected, and very exciting to see the research coming in from different specialties.

Here's my fav thread ever on this topic----the Hypoperfusion thread started by Shayk--
http://www.thisisms.com/ftopic-7708-day ... ia-60.html
cheer

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Husband dx RRMS 3/07
dx dual jugular vein stenosis (CCSVI) 4/09
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CCSVI in MS

Varicose veins and stenosed jugular veins may not be the same, but you may be interested in this posting on another CCSVI website by a Scottish professor of medicine.

http://ccsvi-ms.ning.com/profiles/blogs ... n-improves

Professor James references work in the 1980s by an Irish physician who found stripping varicose veins resulted in improvements in MS symptoms. Even compressing the veins seemed to help. That physician, like Dr. Z, encountered great resistance.

For the first time ever, I wish I had varicose veins which I could have stripped to see it it works for me.