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Just imagine the $ you could get by providing evidence of wrongdoing in the approval of these drugs in the first place. "Those guys can get all them bucks for Copaxone and Avonex, we should get in on some of that! How many doctors do we have to pay off?"

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My hunch is this is the tip on the iceberg. It was easy for June Halper and Dr. Bowling to pull this off and it lasted several years. Halper created the model. Greedy thieves. They have no professional credibility.

Aren't MD's concerned about their reputations, collectively? Is it possible using access to information laws to get at this information? It cannot be redacted for national security reasons. I think the public needs to know who is betraying their trust, as the safety and health of real people is involved, and where does one draw the line? Would you bring your spouse, kids, parents to a doctor who was known to accept bribes? Bribes worth many thousands of times the value of a single prescription or a single dose? Does the public somehow not deserve to know this information, because Medicare pays for it, and that's just taxes, and everybody pays, and everybody knows the government spends more than they should, and hey, at least Serono is paying the penalty, aren't they?

It's the intangibles, the reputations of other doctors, the trust people have to lose in medicine in general. How does Serono make up for that? OK, so I'm not the least biased person to consult on the subject, but if I were given the opportunity to go back to the day I accepted my first Rebif prescription, knowing what I do now, I would not even think about it. Come to think of it, that's why I had so much confidence in my (then) neurologist.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

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"Try - Just A Little Bit Harder" - Janis Joplin
CCSVI procedure Albany Aug 2010
'_MS' is over - if you want it
Patients sans/without patience

In my view, the fact that the same doctors are involved in the CMSC as in the Amato case, as in the original research that led to FDA approval of this drug, which has been called into serious question by studies in the UK, means that the whole FDA approval proceeding is suspect. The suspicion is a result of Serono's obvious disregard for the rules, for honesty, truth, efficiency of government spending, reputations of professionals, safety and well-being of patients, and in at least one case, for their own employees. It seems anything goes, and if I were in charge of a foreign government's approval of drugs, I would not so easily apply a rubber stamp to anything the FDA does from now on. Uncle Sam's slip is showing.

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"Try - Just A Little Bit Harder" - Janis Joplin
CCSVI procedure Albany Aug 2010
'_MS' is over - if you want it
Patients sans/without patience

It's also exemplary behaviour of the American justice system. Teaches young people about integrity, that justice is blind (but is it double blinded?), honesty pays, cheaters don't prosper, you know, all those outdated ideas that went out the window years ago.

We should have PhD programs in Out-Of-Court. We should teach Kickbacks in grade school. We need to get with the times!

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"Try - Just A Little Bit Harder" - Janis Joplin
CCSVI procedure Albany Aug 2010
'_MS' is over - if you want it
Patients sans/without patience

I agree. Far beyond 'MS', or 'ThisIsMS', and beyond Serono's headquarters or the corridors of US justice. I noticed that Cheerleader's note about the "deal with the FEDs" has been suppressed by lawyer threats. It also seems the Globe and Mail of Toronto, Canada is not passing the story on to its readers, regardless of whether they depend on it for information about pharma companies.

Maybe people with Rebif prescriptions need to wonder how much their doctor got for writing them? Maybe their insurance companies need to start wondering that, too. Maybe insurance companies need to start wondering how much doctors got to prescribe all those expensive injections they have already paid billions for. Maybe those people who get it through government assistance need to start wondering just who is being assisted.

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"Try - Just A Little Bit Harder" - Janis Joplin
CCSVI procedure Albany Aug 2010
'_MS' is over - if you want it
Patients sans/without patience

A little googling (that's a verb, right?) of this story is revealing. It seems to have broken after the Canadian Election, but only in the US. Canadian Press had the story early on. If you search using four words "serono globe and mail", you get a story, in the globe, but it's the Boston Globe. It appears to have been newsworthy in some cities in the US. Canada? Maybe not.

It still has never appeared in the Globe and Mail, Toronto. If we don't watch out, this lack of news may make the news.

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"Try - Just A Little Bit Harder" - Janis Joplin
CCSVI procedure Albany Aug 2010
'_MS' is over - if you want it
Patients sans/without patience

This is what the Boston Globe had, 5 days ago



Maybe it's ok for Canadian papers to sit on the story till 2012, since 2011 earnings aren't affected. Yeah, let's go with that.

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"Try - Just A Little Bit Harder" - Janis Joplin
CCSVI procedure Albany Aug 2010
'_MS' is over - if you want it
Patients sans/without patience

And it gets worse. Joan was hit with a cease and desist by the CMSC lawyers about her facebook post.

MS ms charity wants money laundering allegation scrubbed from facebook
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How do they get away with things like this without the slightest slap on the wrist? It's too late. The cat is out of the bag. Call it what you want. They are greedy thieves.

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"Try - Just A Little Bit Harder" - Janis Joplin
CCSVI procedure Albany Aug 2010
'_MS' is over - if you want it
Patients sans/without patience

I have a notion what these folks are up to. They're trying to remove the organization CMSC from the whole thing, by suppressing Cheerleader's statements in this forum and on Facebook. It looks like that's why they wanted to remove the link to the law case, too. The whole thing looks like the best suppression of information from the public that money can buy.

You may expect this posting to be removed soon too I guess.

CMSC.CMSC.CMSC.CMSC.CMSC.CMSC.CMSC.CMSC.CMSC.

There. The public has a right to hear it once. Lenny Bruce said that.

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"Try - Just A Little Bit Harder" - Janis Joplin
CCSVI procedure Albany Aug 2010
'_MS' is over - if you want it
Patients sans/without patience

Most of those exhibits (remember, B to P) say something like: "on <date> Serono presented CMSC with a check" and then the amount. Half a million, no problem. Cost of doing business. Why did the CMSC handle so many checks for kickbacks for prescriptions? Perhaps because they were all to doctors? Who were they? Do they still prescribe? Can I maybe get some cocaine or speed? I know it's expensive, but we're just dickering, right?

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"Try - Just A Little Bit Harder" - Janis Joplin
CCSVI procedure Albany Aug 2010
'_MS' is over - if you want it
Patients sans/without patience

I removed my post.

I do not know the situation in the US, but some doctors told me how it works in some European countries. In some countries here it is an old custom that doctors working for sate owned hospitals get money (as a tip) from their patients under the table. so, their net worth can not be fully justified by taxed incomes. Pharma companies know that and they blackmail doctors if they are too much against them. That is one of the reasons why neuros turned back from CCSVI here.

The other thing is that pharma companies pay the exotic trips of doctors here as a 'study tour'. You can imagine the Bahamas, Thailand as a medical conference hot spots. Nice girls in bikinis giving massage while you are contemplating on the cause of medical problems. So no conspiracy is needed, this is business as usual. This is how big corporations work.

You don't suppose they have any radioactive isotopes in that hospital?

I've sent copies of my postings at TiMS to Dr. Duncan, my brother, the NDPer, my other brother the lawyer in New York, and Cece, one of the TiMS posters. Check out the Serono lawsuit discussion on the Serono lawsuit thread of the CCSVI forum on TiMS (if it's still there). Do not depend on hyperlinks. Make liberal use of cut and paste.

I hope the Internet continues to be our friend. If anything happens to me or my family, you'll know why.

I hope they don't get violent. You'll help with the screenplay, won't you?

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The lawsuit document is a pdf, bitmapped so cut and paste will not work. http://freepdfhosting.com/543bcc781b.pdf Someone more industrious than I could always type it in.

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"Try - Just A Little Bit Harder" - Janis Joplin
CCSVI procedure Albany Aug 2010
'_MS' is over - if you want it
Patients sans/without patience