cinnamon, a CCSVI super-spice?

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Postby Cece » Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:10 am

What intrigued me about the research in the first post was that cinnamon had properties that might positively affect the MS side of MS (anti-inflammatory properties) and the CCSVI side of MS (reduce brain cell swelling after ischemia.)

It is discouraging to hear that this was not the case for people who tried it.
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Re: Cinnamon, a CCSVI super spice?

Postby NHE » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:17 pm

Cece wrote:What intrigued me about the research in the first post was that cinnamon had properties that might positively affect the MS side of MS (anti-inflammatory properties) and the CCSVI side of MS (reduce brain cell swelling after ischemia.)

It is discouraging to hear that this was not the case for people who tried it.


A classic saying in the field of toxicology, before the discovery of endocrine disrupting chemicals such as bisphenol-A, was that the dose makes the poison. With respect to potentially beneficial MS treatments, the inverse of that statement may also be true, i.e., the dose makes the treatment. Since we don't know much at this time about the characteristics of the cinnamon extract used in the study and the dose given to the test subjects, it is difficult to evaluate the potential usefulness of cinnamon in MS. It could be the case that to get the same effective dose, one would have to consume considerably more whole cinnamon than what has been reported in this thread. We should also keep in mind that most of the DMDs never claimed to useful for treating symptoms. Their only claims were for modifying lesion count, relapse frequency and disease progression, not symptoms.


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Postby msjen » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:31 pm

I haven't taken Cinnamon long enough to know if it truly works, but it does help me feel better (so far). I have had the procedure (actually a few times) and still feel that there is merit and I'll hope that it is figured out why my veins don't want to expand, but I guess I'll keep hoping - in the meantime I'm good with Cinnamon. :o) My neurologist keeps pushing DMDs and I think I'd rather see what the Cinnamon does for me-- it's so frustrating that it's so different for everyone!
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Postby David1949 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:55 pm

BTW when I tried cinnamon and honey in my tea, it was because someone recommended it as a cure for a cold. It didn't work for that either. :cry:
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Re: Cinnamon, a CCSVI super spice?

Postby Cece » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:45 am

NHE wrote:A classic saying in the field of toxicology, before the discovery of endocrine disrupting chemicals such as bisphenol-A, was that the dose makes the poison. With respect to potentially beneficial MS treatments, the inverse of that statement may also be true, i.e., the dose makes the treatment. Since we don't know much at this time about the characteristics of the cinnamon extract used in the study and the dose given to the test subjects, it is difficult to evaluate the potential usefulness of cinnamon in MS. It could be the case that to get the same effective dose, one would have to consume considerably more whole cinnamon than what has been reported in this thread. We should also keep in mind that most of the DMDs never claimed to useful for treating symptoms. Their only claims were for modifying lesion count, relapse frequency and disease progression, not symptoms.


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It is always so complicated. Very good point about that the DMDs don't treat symptoms (in fact, the reason I never took avonex or rebif was because I suspected the "flu-like symptoms" would make me feel worse and I already felt awful). (I don't feel awful anymore, since my procedure.)

So, taking cinnamon might not make symptoms feel better, but could still be having an effect against relapses and progression.

As for dose, maybe a little is good and there is a continuum of improvement up to the unknown ideal dose or maybe a little does nothing at all and it needs to be the precise dose to do the job.

And this is all early preliminary research.

The properties of cinnamon would seem to be helpful against both immune system and vascular system issues, so at least that is right up the CCSVI alley.
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Postby zinamaria » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:22 am

I love cinnamon, ever since I was a kid eating those fire stix and red candies, boy was The Sweeth Tooth happy back in those days (there's a chapter somewhere in my ongoing saga with The Sweet Tooth called 'Those were the Days"...)

Because of this thread, I am now adding some to my morning smoothie...yummy.
I mean hey, what doesn't kill you might help!
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Postby Vivianne766 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:44 am

zinamaria wrote:I love cinnamon, ever since I was a kid eating those fire stix and red candies, boy was The Sweeth Tooth happy back in those days (there's a chapter somewhere in my ongoing saga with The Sweet Tooth called 'Those were the Days"...)

Because of this thread, I am now adding some to my morning smoothie...yummy.
I mean hey, what doesn't kill you might help!


I'm with u on that. I love cinnamon too. Viva cinnamon rolls. :)
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Postby zinamaria » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:27 pm

Oh my, don't mention cinnamon rolls now!!! My Sweet Tooth can't handle it because it is a favorite favorite of ours. In fact, my sister is baker and we not only owned a bakery together (in Bisbee, Az) we had worked in Homer, Alaska a few summers in a great cafe, where I waited tables and she was on the kitchen baking...baking everything, including cinnamon rolls...and I, when I arrived in the morning to wait tables, some two hrs after she had already been baking, would come through the back door and take a cinnamon roll and THEN, eat out the center first thing! That gooey center where all the cinnamon collects, that' right... and she would yell at me for leaving the rest behind...

But hey, it was is the best part, no reason not to go for the best first, I mean, you could die in between bites and NOT have gotten the good stuff first!
That used to be my theory, eat dessert first!
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