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Postby Lyon » Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:45 pm

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Postby blossom » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:26 pm

has anyone ever checked into "eating according to their blood type"?

WHFoods: The Blood Type Diet
www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=diet&dbid=2 - CachedSimilar
According to Dr. D'Adamo, the physiological reason why people should eat according to their blood type relates to lectins, which are protein-like substances ...

since diet seems to come into play and help some yet not others--why?

could this be part of the missing link for some?

found only one testimony so far that it helped ms and she was rrms.

since our basic make up starts with a blood line could this be part of why there is such a screw up within us??

anyway, found this interesting--if anyone wants more info. "google"

crazy--maybe--but until any of this mess they call ms is cut and dry--we search.
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Postby ikulo » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:53 pm

Read this before drawing any conclusions from the China Study: http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/
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Postby cheerleader » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:44 pm

Dania--I'm sorry there's no easy answer. It makes no sense. You with a wonderful diet, Jeff growing up in the sun in California--both the only ones in your families with MS...obviously there are other things going on.

ikulo wrote:Read this before drawing any conclusions from the China Study: http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/


Hi, ikulo---I've read the debunkers of Dr. Campbell's research, and they have some valid points. But from all my reading up on the endothelium, c reactive protein, nitric oxide and inflammation, I don't think Dr. Campbell is far off the mark. Dr. John Cooke's Cardiovascular Cure is not as strict as Dr. Campbell's program, but similar in the avoidance of fats, processed food and glucose. Dr. Swank warned of animal fats and his MS patients had great success. And it's been working for my husband for four years, now. We had quinoa and veggie soup tonight with a fresh fruit salad. Jeff's kept about 20 lbs off since his MS diagnosis, and he's still biking, working full days, hiking, no MS progression. Does he miss his cheese and red meat and fries...sure! (my son and I have snuck out for cheeseburgers...shhhh!) But he's happier being healthy.

Everyone is different, and everyone will need to figure out what works for them...the blood type diets are good, Best Bet is great, Swank, vegan, gluten-free...whatever works for you. But conscious eating is a must.

Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.
My favorite quote from Michael Pollan's In Defense of Food.
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Postby ikulo » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:54 pm

[quote="cheerleader"][/quote]

I agree that diet plays an important part in controlling MS. Though I would draw a distinction between swank and campbell in that I believe the china study addressed mainly animal protein, where swank urged the avoidance of saturated fat (with lean meats being ok). Saturated fat has been shown to disrupt the endothelium, but I haven't seen any evidence of animal protein doing the same.

Personally I avoid meats except for fish. I just wanted to point out a well-researched opposing view of the campbell/china study.
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Postby Jugular » Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:36 pm

Maybe it's from kissing Canadians with infectious mononucleosis
From: Viral Infections of Humans. Third Edition, Plenum Publishing Corp. 1991. Alfred S Evans, editor. Chapter 10, Epstein-Barr virus. AS Evans, JC Niederman.

"Infection with EBV is worldwide. Antibody to EBV has been demonstrated in every population thus far tested, including very isolated tribes in Brazil, Alaska, and other remote areas where measles and influenza antibody are often lacking. Infection occurs earlier in life in developing countries. A recent study of 94 children in the Republic of China revealed that 78.6% had EBV-VCA IgG antibody by the end of the first year of life and 80.7% were positive by the age of three.

"Clinical infectious mononucleosis occurs most commonly in those hygienic and socioeconomic areas where exposure to and infection with EBV are delayed until older childhood and young adult life. These include Australia, Canada, England, many European countries, New Zealand, Scandinavian countries, and the United States. In contrast, at the University of the Philippines, not a single case was recorded among 5000 admissions to the college infirmary, where laboratory facilities existed; EBV antibody determinations in this college population revealed a very high level of prior immunity.
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Postby Thekla » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:08 pm

This is a real puzzle. I grew up with organic no sugar healthy kinds of food, I've been big on supplements, done the blood type diet--I'm an O, and then more recently a year plus on the Best Bet diet. We eat vegan a couple of days a week and for several periods throughout the year. I haven't been able to identify anything that either helps or makes things worse. It is just frustrating.
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Postby cheerleader » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:47 pm

Jugular wrote:Maybe it's from kissing Canadians with infectious mononucleosis
From: Viral Infections of Humans. Third Edition, Plenum Publishing Corp. 1991. Alfred S Evans, editor. Chapter 10, Epstein-Barr virus. AS Evans, JC Niederman.

"Infection with EBV is worldwide. Antibody to EBV has been demonstrated in every population thus far tested, including very isolated tribes in Brazil, Alaska, and other remote areas where measles and influenza antibody are often lacking. Infection occurs earlier in life in developing countries. A recent study of 94 children in the Republic of China revealed that 78.6% had EBV-VCA IgG antibody by the end of the first year of life and 80.7% were positive by the age of three.

"Clinical infectious mononucleosis occurs most commonly in those hygienic and socioeconomic areas where exposure to and infection with EBV are delayed until older childhood and young adult life. These include Australia, Canada, England, many European countries, New Zealand, Scandinavian countries, and the United States. In contrast, at the University of the Philippines, not a single case was recorded among 5000 admissions to the college infirmary, where laboratory facilities existed; EBV antibody determinations in this college population revealed a very high level of prior immunity.


Great post, jugs.
What is most interesting is that the EBV infection is delayed when living in Canada....80% of the Chinese children had EBV by the age of 3. Delayed infection might be part of this.
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Postby 1eye » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:29 pm

cheerleader wrote:
Jugular wrote:Maybe it's from kissing Canadians with infectious mononucleosis
From: Viral Infections of Humans. Third Edition, Plenum Publishing Corp. 1991. Alfred S Evans, editor. Chapter 10, Epstein-Barr virus. AS Evans, JC Niederman.

"Infection with EBV is worldwide. Antibody to EBV has been demonstrated in every population thus far tested, including very isolated tribes in Brazil, Alaska, and other remote areas where measles and influenza antibody are often lacking. Infection occurs earlier in life in developing countries. A recent study of 94 children in the Republic of China revealed that 78.6% had EBV-VCA IgG antibody by the end of the first year of life and 80.7% were positive by the age of three.

"Clinical infectious mononucleosis occurs most commonly in those hygienic and socioeconomic areas where exposure to and infection with EBV are delayed until older childhood and young adult life. These include Australia, Canada, England, many European countries, New Zealand, Scandinavian countries, and the United States. In contrast, at the University of the Philippines, not a single case was recorded among 5000 admissions to the college infirmary, where laboratory facilities existed; EBV antibody determinations in this college population revealed a very high level of prior immunity.


Great post, jugs.
What is most interesting is that the EBV infection is delayed when living in Canada....80% of the Chinese children had EBV by the age of 3. Delayed infection might be part of this.
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A lot of people try to figure out "why me?" and "why now?" Everybody has stuff that they wonder about that coincides more or less with the onset of disease, or with first symptoms. For instance I have sometimes wondered whether the Last Big Flu I had was some kind of trigger, and indeed whether it was my first major EBV infection, coming in my late thirties. Other than that. I had nothing anybody ever told me was mono, and thought I had somehow escaped it.

Lots of stuff with my neck: a fall off a ladder, an accident with possible whiplash, putting a lot of mechanical stress on it in various ways.

I have also wondered about the mold that attacks my eyes whenever I handle any of my dad's old 78s, which I acquired back in the mid-90s.

Lots of little possibilities, but no certainty. But whatever it is I have now, the first effects I had from it were probably much earlier. Nothing I can pin down. Stress seems to have been a common denominator.
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Postby MrSuccess » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:32 pm

oneeye - an interesting find over in the General area , brought to our attention by Scorpion . It is titled : MS Origin of abnormal cells found .

There is a link to the work of Professor David Pleasure of the University of California Davis .....

This caught my eye .......

" In MS , these abnormal cells are found in and around plaques in the brain and spinal cord , where there is evidence of damage to myelin sheaths and axons. In patients with Alzheimer's disease or after recurrent
head trauma , these abnormal cells are scattered throughout the brain " End of quote.

I have long thought the association between MS and trauma are linked. I believe that neck veins are compressed by the swelling caused by injury.
Once collapsed ..... internal blood pressure cannot force the vessel open again . Collateral drainage begins. But it is not enough.


It's as good a theory as there is ........


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Postby 1eye » Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:12 pm

Hey abnormal cells come from all kinds of places. My black holes seemed to be everywhere, like an invasion, but that kind of thing might happen when the blood is full of the wrong thing, because blood goes almost everywhere: in other words, maybe it's secondary to something traumatic, after some time.

Even cosmic rays can produce bad mutations, but not likely with such distribution. It's only my own opinion, which seems to change without my even being aware of it, but I think the only way to solve this puzzle is to concentrate inquiry on three things: location, location, and, er, um, location.
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Postby Cece » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:12 pm

1eye wrote:Hey abnormal cells come from all kinds of places. My black holes seemed to be everywhere, like an invasion, but that kind of thing might happen when the blood is full of the wrong thing, because blood goes almost everywhere: in other words, maybe it's secondary to something traumatic, after some time.

Even cosmic rays can produce bad mutations, but not likely with such distribution. It's only my own opinion, which seems to change without my even being aware of it, but I think the only way to solve this puzzle is to concentrate inquiry on three things: location, location, and, er, um, location.

"Like an invasion" ... You are quite a writer, 1eye.
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