Lyon wrote:Now that's the second time right recently that it's sounded that you've the impression that scorpion and/or I are against the theory of ccsvi and I know that both scorpion and I multiple times have separately made it clear that we are not against the theory of ccsvi.
Lyon wrote:Without a doubt I've shown my frustration multiple times at people who are convinced without proof and try to convince others
Lyon wrote: I'd LOVE reason to think that ccsvi is capable of keeping me from ever having to be a caregiver but so far I don't see any clear signs that ccsvi is going to prove to be what it's reputed to be.
Lyon wrote:Agreed but I'm probably preaching to the choir when I point out that she was diagnosed in 2006 and has experienced no progression but for some reason when it concerns MS it feels like time passing is getting you closer to the other shoe dropping rather than giving the feeling that you might come out of it unscathed.Jugular wrote: Also, even without any treatment options, MS charts its own course. 'Caregiver' status is hardly inevitable.
Conversely scorpion, those of us who are pro-CCSVI aren't in favour of people getting it. People who are pro-CCSVI believe in both its existence as a medical condition and that it plays an important role in MS. People who are anti-CCSVI generally say things like "let us assume CCSVI is actually a medical condition" and "CCSVI as an unproven medical hypothesis put forth by Dr. Zamboni."scorpion wrote:Wow Jug your coment about being ant-CCSVI sure gave me a case of dejavu! For the sake of avoiding an argument let us assume CCSVI is actually a medical condition. You are saying I am anti a medical condition? I wonder if there are any people who are anti-atherosclerosis? Or maybe anti-hypertension? Maybe anti- genital warts??? If you are saying CCSVI is some kind of movement(political, patient) I guess you could say someone was either pro or anti but I loook at CCSVI as an unproven medical hypothesis put forth by Dr. Zamboni . Maybe sometimes some of us are talking about two different things?
Jugular wrote:Conversely scorpion, those of us who are pro-CCSVI aren't in favour of people getting it. People who are pro-CCSVI believe in both its existence as a medical condition and that it plays an important role in MS. People who are anti-CCSVI generally say things like "let us assume CCSVI is actually a medical condition" and "CCSVI as an unproven medical hypothesis put forth by Dr. Zamboni."
So I happen to think that I am on solid footing, etymologically speaking, that you are such a bug.
I mostly agree Cece, except by normal parlance, I think a 'bug' would include a Scorpion. Because this was bugging me, I did a search on the meaning of the word "bug" and this is what I found:Cece wrote:Jugular wrote:Conversely scorpion, those of us who are pro-CCSVI aren't in favour of people getting it. People who are pro-CCSVI believe in both its existence as a medical condition and that it plays an important role in MS. People who are anti-CCSVI generally say things like "let us assume CCSVI is actually a medical condition" and "CCSVI as an unproven medical hypothesis put forth by Dr. Zamboni."
So I happen to think that I am on solid footing, etymologically speaking, that you are such a bug.
Jugular is right....
Although I don't think scorpions are bugs. More of an "arthropod." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion
Another way to be pro-CCSVI is to be in support of research into this potentially ground-breaking development.
Another way to be pro-CCSVI is to have had an MRV done, as I did a year ago, or an ultrasound, and see for yourself what your jugular veins look like. It is hard to deny a condition that you can see for yourself in the images of your own neck. Then the question of what percentage association MS is to CCSVI becomes moot, because it's a 100% in your individual case. And when I was shown the images of nearly entirely blocked jugulars on both sides, it was rather pro-CCSVI of me to say, I have damage in the organ that those veins are draining, I have an IR willing to open those blockages, I have the possibility to choose healthy flow over diminished flow, let's do it.
Cheer, would you consider adjusting the title of this thread? Quote marks indicate that this is something that Dr. Zamboni said, verbatim and translated from Italian. If you added on 'except within a study' I'd be happy enough.
It is unrealistic to expect all the answers to come out of Ferrera, or for them to be accepted if they do. We need all our researchers at work on CCSVI, and all of them publishing.
There is another phase that a Scorpio can take on: the Eagle; Scorpio in the eagle phase are the wise ones. Eagles soar the sky, seeing everyone else's havoc with his keen and intelligent eyes.
Sixty-five consecutive patients with CCSVI, subdivided by MS clinical course into 35 with relapsing remitting (RR), 20 with secondary progressive (SP), and 10 with primary progressive (PP) MS, underwent percutaneous transluminal angioplasty (PTA). Mean follow-up was 18 months. . The risk of restenosis was higher in the IJVs compared with the AZY (patency rate: IJV, 53%; AZY, 96%;
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