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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby blossom » Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:52 pm

Hello ejc, thank you for the update's. Glad to hear you and your wife are holding your own. So many of us here know what mainstream medicine is doing wrong. We can only hope they will wise up too. But I'm not holding my breath.

It is people like you and your wife that think and go out of the box that are getting results. For the better
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby Amir » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:09 am

EJC wrote:It's been a while since I posted an update to this thread, the negativity from a minority can get irritating and a little off putting.

It has been 3 years since you started this post. The posts have changed from extreme negativity to many of the participants agreeing with what we purported about the TMJ connection and the Atlas asymmetry. It is all over the internet and many practitioners around the world have become aware of it and are putting into practice their ideas to assist 'MS' patients.

EJC wrote:So has Dr Amirs treatment helped Emma's MS? This is where a simple wording makes a world of difference. If I'm ever asked if Dr Amir's treatment is curing or treating Emma's MS the answer has to be no. I'd prefer to explain it as follows.

Emma clearly had underlying dental/jaw issues or a TMJ disorder. Dr Amir has treated this problem and as a result of that treatment a specific group of symptoms have been relieved/eradicated. The problem you have once you have a diagnosis of MS is the medical fraternity are all too willing to chalk any symptom up to "MS" without really looking any further. So Dr Amirs treatment has relieved symptoms that were incorrectly being attributed to "MS".

Is Emma still struggling with anything else?

In a word Yes, walking and leg control/balance is a problem that Dr Amir can't get to grips with.


While all other symptoms seem to resolve we have had limited success with walking. Some patients who were at a very early stage of walking disability recovered. One patient who was very disabled also has improved massively. Others have shown no change. This has been very disconcerting.

A part of the reason could be the use of massive amounts of steroids early on which cause avascular necrosis of the femoral head. It could be due to a number of other reasons which I keep investigating and trying out with patients but so far we have had limited success. I am open to any suggestions.

Finally I must say that since my first contention that 'MS' appears to be a dubious diagnosis I am still waiting for my first true 'MS' patient. So far all have turned out to be TMJ dysfunction cases without any doubt whatsoever. It is imperative that any new patients diagnosed with 'MS' seek immediate assistance from a TMJ specialist.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby EJC » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:28 am

blossom wrote:Hello ejc, thank you for the update's. Glad to hear you and your wife are holding your own. So many of us here know what mainstream medicine is doing wrong. We can only hope they will wise up too. But I'm not holding my breath.

It is people like you and your wife that think and go out of the box that are getting results. For the better


Thanks Blossom.

It's this forum that actually opened my mind. Indirectly TiMS lead us to CCSVI and then to Dr Amir.

There is a danger though of getting tunnel vision and concentrating too much on one particular avenue. It's taken us a while to realise this. We wish it was something that modern medicine would embrace and look at the picture as a whole rather than in minutia.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby EJC » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:13 am

Well today was a big day for Emma. Dr Amir removed Emma's final brace today and said that everything was where it need to be.

He carried out a kinesiology test for strength on Emma's right arm which is one of the indicators he uses to check that everything is where it should be and she was good to go with simple instructions for breathing exercises and a couple of other simple instructions.

We'll pop back in a 3 months time just to check everything is as it should be.

It's been four and half years since Emma started this journey into the world of "alternative treatments" firstly with a CCSVI procedure in Scotland which lead us (in a very long winded way) to find Dr Amir, a dentist in Putney. Who would have though that dental and TMJ work would have done so much good? We certainly didn't!

So looking back four and half years where is Emma now?

Well in 2010 she was on the verge of begin wheelchair bound, with severe debilitating nerve pain, extremities like blocks of ice, deteriorating eyesight, jaw pain and a pretty grim outlook for the future.

So has Dr Amir fixed Emma?

I guess this is the $64,000 question. It's just not that simple! I take a lot of time explaining to people that Dr Amir isn't treating "MS", or CFS or ME or any other number of chronic conditions that people are labeled with without any real understanding of them. What Dr Amir is treating is generally described as a TMJ disorder or misalignment in many patients that happen to have MS, CFS, ME etc etc. Or to put it another way, Dr Amir is treating a TMJ disorder that has previous been diagnosed (or misdiagnosed) as MS.

He said to me on our last visit that he has had a much faster success rate with newly diagnosed patients than those who have run out of options after years, decades or even a lifetime with an MS diagnosis. He's recently had two patients both newly diagnosed with "primary progressive MS" who have had their symptoms almost completely eradicated in a matter of weeks.

Emma no longer has jaw pain, no longer has nerve pain, her eyesight has stabilised and is improving with massage to the neck, jaw and head (all blood flow related). Her hands and feet have recovered colour and some degree of normal temperature. She has started physical rehabilitation to improve her walking (effectively learn how to walk again after 17 years of muscle wastage and bad posture) here:- http://qef.org.uk/our-services/neuro-re ... -services/ this is not physiotherapy. If you've ever seen the news or a film in which an injured serviceman is taught to walk again in a fully equipped gym and one to one help - it's that. Emma is doing very well and the specialists there feel she has every chance of walking pretty close to normally again. It's now down to her to put in the effort and it's a long hard slog.

Would we recommend you see Dr Amir?

100% we would. Thanks just doesn't quite seem enough, Amir has changed Emma's life.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby jencor69 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:05 pm

Thanks for sharing this amazing update, you and Emma must be so happy!
Dr Amir is changing the lives of people every day, mine included and it is a shame that his hypothesis (that numerous health problems including MS emanate from an asymmetry of the structure) has not been accepted or even investigated. MS groups and doctors have attacked him, called him a quack and even complained (unsuccessfully) to the GDC.

I think that an assessment for cranio dental & skeletal symmetry should be performed and be part of the list of differential diagnoses for MS. How many people could be saved from a lifetime of fear and accumulating disability?

You are right EJC, thanks just doesn't quite seem enough.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby Rosegirl » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:59 am

What wonderful news about Emma! Thanks for keeping us posted. Have you shown Dr. Amir the paper that Dr. Sims did about TMJ as it relates to gait and balance? The link is below.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby EJC » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:54 am

Amir reads this forum, particularly these threads so I'm sure he will take a look at the papers if he's not done so already.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby Music » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:40 am

Thanks for the links Rosegirl. Have sent them on to my orthodontist. He has talked to both Dr. Sims and Dr. Stack before.

My orthodontist is working with a 7 year old who has Tourettes and has had very good success with him. Since the bite appliance was too big to have in the little boy's mouth all the time, it was made smaller and acupuncture was added. Same success.

I have just recently had a bite appliance put in alongside with my upper appliance. Fingers crossed for improvements.

Thanks for the update EJC.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby EJC » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:54 am

October 2015.

11 months ago, thanks to Amir's treatment, Emma was able to start physical rehabilitation at the QEF centre in Banstead, Surrey, UK. You can find their details here:- http://qef.org.uk/our-services/neuro-re ... -services/

Emma visits twice a week for an hour each time, this week we bumped into Jen who has posted elsewhere on this thread. Jen has ditched her walking frame/rollator and was stood upright and walking with the aid of a pair of crutches. Awesome to see that Jen!

Emma "walked" for the first time this week with something approaching normal steps with the aide of some great equipment at the QEF.

I came across this place after watching a documentary about Headley Court, the military rehabilitation centre near Epsom. I figured that was what Emma needed, it's then I found the QEF.

It's not cheap - it's £80 for an hour visit, but it's worth every penny. Three or Four years ago the best we could have hoped for is someone coming up with something to stop the progression of "MS", we never thought that regression would be on the cards. Emma now faces the real possibility of being able to walk close to normal again and lead a fuller life than before having met Amir.

Here's a snap from this week session at the QEF:-

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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby Amir » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:15 pm

EJC wrote:October 2015.

11 months ago, thanks to Amir's treatment, Emma was able to start physical rehabilitation at the QEF centre in Banstead, Surrey, UK. You can find their details here:- http://qef.org.uk/our-services/neuro-re ... -services/

Emma visits twice a week for an hour each time, this week we bumped into Jen who has posted elsewhere on this thread. Jen has ditched her walking frame/rollator and was stood upright and walking with the aid of a pair of crutches. Awesome to see that Jen!

Emma "walked" for the first time this week with something approaching normal steps with the aide of some great equipment at the QEF.

I came across this place after watching a documentary about Headley Court, the military rehabilitation centre near Epsom. I figured that was what Emma needed, it's then I found the QEF.

It's not cheap - it's £80 for an hour visit, but it's worth every penny. Three or Four years ago the best we could have hoped for is someone coming up with something to stop the progression of "MS", we never thought that regression would be on the cards. Emma now faces the real possibility of being able to walk close to normal again and lead a fuller life than before having met Amir.


Thank you EJC for having started this thread. You helped bring a different dimension into the equation. Initially we received a great deal of rebuke but some years on almost everyone is talking in terms of their jaw, Atlas and other body asymmetries causing their problems.

I have seen more than 200 patients and am still looking for that elusive 'MS' patient. We have had tremendous success with all stages of MS - PPMS, RRMS and SPMS.

Both Emma and Jen (SPMS & PPMS)have been the best patients and will continue to improve.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby CureOrBust » Sat Oct 03, 2015 3:46 pm

Amir wrote:Initially we received a great deal of rebuke but some years on almost everyone is talking in terms of their jaw, Atlas and other body asymmetries causing their problems.
No we are not. Simply stating something does not make it true. These techniques make many even more skeptical. A lot of patients still require the missing scientific proof.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby Amir » Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:08 am

CureOrBust wrote:
Amir wrote:Initially we received a great deal of rebuke but some years on almost everyone is talking in terms of their jaw, Atlas and other body asymmetries causing their problems.
No we are not. Simply stating something does not make it true. These techniques make many even more skeptical. A lot of patients still require the missing scientific proof.

I sincerely hope that the hundreds of TMJ specialists now working along similar lines around the world will be able to provide you the "scientific proof" you so desperately seek.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby CureOrBust » Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:02 am

Amir wrote:I sincerely hope that the hundreds of TMJ specialists now working along similar lines around the world will be able to provide you the "scientific proof" you so desperately seek.

By "similar lines" are you referring to MS treatment?

Do you have a list / details of these "hundreds" of TMJ specialists?
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby EJC » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:06 am

CureOrBust wrote:
Amir wrote:I sincerely hope that the hundreds of TMJ specialists now working along similar lines around the world will be able to provide you the "scientific proof" you so desperately seek.

By "similar lines" are you referring to MS treatment?

Do you have a list / details of these "hundreds" of TMJ specialists?


Amir hasn't treated anyone for "MS", he has treated many patients of which a percentage have an "MS" diagnosis and I think this is where the fundamental problem comes when alternative lines of thought like this are published. He's not even suggesting his treatment cures or treats "MS" what he's actually saying is "MS" effectively doesn't exist or is a misdiagnosis in many cases, or is simply a label attached to hundreds of thousands of people worldwide that modern medicine doesn't actually know what to do with. Many of these patients display any random number of a large group of possible symptoms to get the "MS" label. Is that so far fetched? Some have seen great results with CCSVI treatment, does this mean they have "MS" or a vein/valve malformation?

Emma has been treated by Amir for TMJ and skeletal misalignment issues, as a result of this treatment a number of symptoms that were being attributed to a diagnosis of "MS" have been completely eradicated. So a logical person at this stage doesn't say "Amir has cured or treated MS!" they actually question the original diagnosis given to Emma, or even the validity of "MS" itself.

Is this so far fetched? I don't think so, I'd say it's actually an intelligent thought process. How many others could potentially be helped by this or similar treatments?

Emma has had her life turned around by this treatment and is slowly rebuilding her wasted muscle structure. Is it the answer for everyone who has an MS diagnosis? Maybe, maybe not, but it's not a daft suggestion that people with an "MS" diagnosis get their jaw/teeth/TMJ looked at to see if there's a possible issue. It's relatively inexpensive, non invasive (if you find the right practitioner) and you'll find out pretty quickly if it's going to help you or not.

What's the alternative? Pump yourself full of drugs with unknown side effects, unknown main effects that could potentially shorten your life and drain the public purse whilst in the process of doing so.

I'd be delighted to see a study on what Amir does, a huge 5000 patient study and so would Amir. That would be simply awesome. But it's never going to happen is it? There's no "product" that you package at the end and push into every neurologists office for them to push to as many people as possible at $50K a year per patient. So who would be willing to bankroll the study? No one other than a wealthy benefactor.

As it is it's left to people like Amir to do what they can on their own with very little to no government or official support to try and find anything to help these people. It's also a responsibility of someone for whom the treatment has worked that they document as much as possible and publish the results - this thread.

So why all the hate? If you don't like what Amir suggests or my progress reports on how Emma progresses, don't read the thread, or read it but keep your hate to yourself, you're just contaminating what is effectively a real time study of treatment on a person that has been given an "MS" label, had an alternative or unusual treatment and the results thereof.
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Re: AtlasBalance (jaw misalignment) Treatment - EJC

Postby CureOrBust » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:55 pm

EJC wrote:
CureOrBust wrote:
Amir wrote:I sincerely hope that the hundreds of TMJ specialists now working along similar lines around the world will be able to provide you the "scientific proof" you so desperately seek.

By "similar lines" are you referring to MS treatment?

Do you have a list / details of these "hundreds" of TMJ specialists?


Amir hasn't treated anyone for "MS", he has treated many patients of which a percentage have an "MS" diagnosis and I think this is where the fundamental problem comes when alternative lines of thought like this are published. He's not even suggesting his treatment cures or treats "MS" what he's actually saying is "MS" effectively doesn't exist or is a misdiagnosis in many cases, or is simply a label attached to hundreds of thousands of people worldwide that modern medicine doesn't actually know what to do with. Many of these patients display any random number of a large group of possible symptoms to get the "MS" label. Is that so far fetched? Some have seen great results with CCSVI treatment, does this mean they have "MS" or a vein/valve malformation?


EJC wrote:Emma has been treated by Amir for TMJ and skeletal misalignment issues, as a result of this treatment a number of symptoms that were being attributed to a diagnosis of "MS" have been completely eradicated. So a logical person at this stage doesn't say "Amir has cured or treated MS!" they actually question the original diagnosis given to Emma, or even the validity of "MS" itself.
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What's the alternative? Pump yourself full of drugs with unknown side effects, unknown main effects that could potentially shorten your life and drain the public purse whilst in the process of doing so.
1. We are on an MS board
2. I have the symptoms (and a corresponding diagnosis) of MS
3. One or even a few hundred people having MS Symptom revilement does not show up as even a blip on the millions suffering from MS. For Amir to be implying "MS Does not exist" (please do not make me go through hundreds of historic posts)
4. Flying multiple times to the otherside of the planet for an unproven treatment is also not an option, and hence my question on the "hundreds' of other specialists. NB we are on an MS board so a statement such as "now working along similar lines" implies its about MS (symptoms or disease) and also the "now" implies a change over what was happening before.

EJC wrote:I'd be delighted to see a study on what Amir does, a huge 5000 patient study and so would Amir. That would be simply awesome. But it's never going to happen is it? There's no "product" that you package at the end and push into every neurologists office for them to push to as many people as possible at $50K a year per patient. So who would be willing to bankroll the study? No one other than a wealthy benefactor.
From memory, wasn't Amir speaking to a solicitor and had a web site set up. It certainly looked as if these were commercial actions.

EJC wrote:As it is it's left to people like Amir to do what they can on their own with very little to no government or official support to try and find anything to help these people. It's also a responsibility of someone for whom the treatment has worked that they document as much as possible and publish the results - this thread.
On an "MS" board. This fact is very important to remember.

EJC wrote:So why all the hate? If you don't like what Amir suggests or my progress reports on how Emma progresses, don't read the thread, or read it but keep your hate to yourself, you're just contaminating what is effectively a real time study of treatment on a person that has been given an "MS" label, had an alternative or unusual treatment and the results thereof.
Skepticism is NOT "hate" its simply skepticism. And its further triggered by continuing unsupported claims.

My question is simple and still stands. It is not adverted with emotional claims and wording.
CureOrBust wrote:Do you have a list / details of these "hundreds" of TMJ specialists?

Now, if you actually simply look at my unemotional post, I am simply asking for where I too could receive the same benefits that your wife received, please do not make it into anything emotional and personal. Remember, I am suffering here from a disease I wish to irradiate ANY way possible.
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