Review of Venous Anatomy in CCSVI

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Re: Review of Venous Anatomy in CCSVI

Postby MrSuccess » Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:56 pm

Cece , I couldn't agree more. I see the science in CCSVI . The logic is crystal clear.

I am also saying ... I see the role CCSVI plays in TRAUMA as a key component of MS.

I base my opinion on published research.

I do note .... Dr.Sclafani has mentioned his thoughts on trauma & MS having some possible association. You can scan his posts to find the comment.

But most of all .... I ask .... is it fair comment to condemn or praise the results of failed or successful CCSVI treatments based on the ONE experience of ONE person ?

Far better to test , treat , and evaluate the results of a large CCSVI treatment study.

I believe Dr.Zamboni has this situation taking place in Italy. Brave Dreams.

I thought the fable ...... helpful. No harm intended .




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Re: Review of Venous Anatomy in CCSVI

Postby Cece » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:56 am

What I remember Dr. Sclafani saying was that he had included a question about trauma from the very beginning with his patients.

let's see....
chronic-cerebrospinal-venous-insufficiency-ccsvi-f40/topic10680-5925.html#p177862

He did not find a correlation between neck trauma and MS in his patients.

Trauma is worth discussing but I am not convinced it is a major player in MS or CCSVI.
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Re: Review of Venous Anatomy in CCSVI

Postby EJC » Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:07 am

In the circumstances being discussed relating Trauma to CCSVI, wisdom tooth removeal can be considered "trauma" amongst other things.

"have you ever had neck trauma?" to a layperson is the same as asking "Have you had a bang on the neck?" when what really needs to be asked is a whole host of specific questions regarding possibly trauma, surgery, manipulation, dental work, etc etc All of which could be consdired to be "trauma".
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Re: Review of Venous Anatomy in CCSVI

Postby MrSuccess » Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:49 pm

Cece , thanks for finding that post of Dr.S. That is the one I was referencing.

Do you not find it interesting that questions of thee 'trauma-nature' are at the top of the questionaire ?

I am also pleased to read of the low % of his patients that report injuries . less than 5%

As we well know ..... Dr.Zamboni himself ..... states that CCSVI is still not proven without a doubt ..... to be connected to MS ..... BUT .... he is in the process of doing so.

Dr.Scalafani is cautious in providing medical opinions. ALL doctors do this . A common and expected response to ANY medical procedure,outcome , or even cause.

It would be foolish to go on the record as being 100% confident in anything.

I remain convinced that TRAUMA >>>> INFLAMMATION >>>>> CCSVI >>>>>>>> MS


Mark my words .


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Re: Review of Venous Anatomy in CCSVI

Postby drsclafani » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:04 pm

MrSuccess wrote:... and anatomic compression by adjacent structures in the neck .....
... and anatomic compression by adjacent structures in the neck ......
... and anatomic compression by adjacent structures in the neck .......

in plain speak ..... the veins in your neck can be affected by any change in the normal positioning of muscle , bone , tissue .

MrSuccess has read numerous opinions offered by well respected medical professionals that link MS to TRAUMA.

CCSVI has now provided that missing piece of that puzzle.

TRAUMA >>>>>> INFLAMMATION >>>>>>> CCSVI >>>>>>> MS


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i think you have this wrong.
trauma does lead to inflammation but that inflammation does not cause ccsvi. ccsvi is mostly caused by problems of anatomical development, not inflammation
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Re: Review of Venous Anatomy in CCSVI

Postby EJC » Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:18 pm

That's interesting as "anatomical development" suggests there isn't something congenital as such, but the malformations "grow or form" over a period of time.

Or am I misreading that?
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Re: Review of Venous Anatomy in CCSVI

Postby Cece » Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:48 pm

I took it to mean development of the veins, which is embryological:
www.embryology.ch/anglais/pcardio/venen01.html
(hitting 'start' and then clicking through the nine images will show you vein differentiation; I love this link)
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Re: Review of Venous Anatomy in CCSVI

Postby EJC » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:24 am

Oh I see, in this case the anatomical development during gestation.
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Re: Review of Venous Anatomy in CCSVI

Postby MrSuccess » Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:00 pm

MrSuccess has never ... and will never offer up opinions on any medical condition that he is the ORIGINATOR of. I meerly offer up research produced by respected medical professionals. If they are wrong ... I guess I am also.

In a previous post , Dr.Sclafani's CCSVI questionnaire was presented. Question 2 & 3 certainly appear to clearly ask pwMS .... have you had trauma ?

Why ask that ,if you are not in the trauma-may-cause-MS camp ?

I would substitute questions 2 & 3 with ...

Q: Was your birth natural or C-section ?

Q: Did your grandmother have MS ?


MrSuccess remains firmly convinced that reduced or impaired bloodflow OUT of the brain has dire consequences ...... whether caused INTERNALLY as Dr.Sclafani's IVUS reveals.... or as a result of EXTERNAL forces applied to the vein ..... as proven with X-Rays ... when bone structures are altered by TRAUMATIC force.


Mr&MRSSuccess wish all TIMS members a Happy New Year .... and please do not drive if you plan on celebrating tonight with your cocktails of choice. Far better to arrange safe transportation home . No doubt Mr.Success will taken home horizontal on a stretcher. As usually is the case. With Mrs.Success following behind clucking her tongue ......... :wink:

HNY :!:


Some cocktails .... some orchids .... a show or two.... a line in a column ...that links me with you .....


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Re: Review of Venous Anatomy in CCSVI

Postby CureOrBust » Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:49 pm

You should never misquote another, especially when the person you are misquoting is explicitly telling you that you have misquoted them. "Reading between the lines" is not a valid scientific method taught at university for a reason.
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