"THE SPINE" MORE PROOF--YET IGNORED IN DIAG. AND TREATMENT

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"THE SPINE" MORE PROOF--YET IGNORED IN DIAG. AND TREATMENT

Postby blossom » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 am

how many of you have been really checked out as far as your spine goes? and even if a neurosurgeon does see problems and tells me "yes" we can help you. BUT-once they see the diag. of ms it changes. AND THIS IS PLAIN WRONG. the spine effects everything-blood flow-csf flow nerves. i told them well since you say i have this thing called ms i should be exempt from ever having any other health issues.

here you go-


Acta Neurol Scand. 1999 Aug;100(2):84-7.
Surgical outcome in patients with coexisting multiple sclerosis and spondylosis.
Young WF, Weaver M, Mishra B.
SourceDepartment of Neurosurgery, Temple University Multiple Sclerosis Center, Philadelphia, PA, USA.

Abstract
OBJECTIVES: Multiple sclerosis (MS) is a neuro-degenerative disease of unknown etiology which results in destruction of myelin. A variety of neurologic signs and symptoms are associated with MS and include myelopathy, extremity weakness, low back pain, sciatica and paresthesias. Many of these signs and symptoms are identical to those experienced by patients with spondylosis (e.g. spinal stenosis, disc herniations). The coexistence of MS with spondylosis can be problematic both for diagnosis and treatment.

MATERIALS AND METHODS: During the period 1992 to 1996 we identified 7 patients with previously diagnosed MS who developed new syndromes which were thought to be related to a variety of degenerative spine conditions. The diagnosis of MS was based on standard clinical, immunological and neuroradiological criteria.

RESULTS: Five of 7 patients demonstrated significant improvement after surgery. One patient experienced a transient MS exacerbation after surgery.

CONCLUSIONS: From our series we concluded that surgery for degenerative spine conditions can be performed in a safe and effective manner in patients with coexisting multiple sclerosis.

PMID:10442447[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] MeSH Terms
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Re: "THE SPINE" MORE PROOF--YET IGNORED IN DIAG. AND TREATME

Postby Cece » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:49 am

just because we have MS doesn't mean we can't have other things too! great post blossom
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Re: "THE SPINE" MORE PROOF--YET IGNORED IN DIAG. AND TREATME

Postby blossom » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:59 am

BINGO!! as with anything say like car-sputtering down the road-and you get a flat and you can see the flat but you decide to put oil in it to try to stop the sputtering and ignore the flat---but try to convince yourself that the bumpy ride is because of the sputtering. because the flat is too obvious and easy and cheap to fix.
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Re: "THE SPINE" MORE PROOF--YET IGNORED IN DIAG. AND TREATME

Postby MarkW » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:42 am

I like the car analogy Blossom. We know that spinal lesions are a part of MS for some people, but very few IRs investigate our lumbar or vertebral veins. I am still on the theme of investigate and treat symptoms of CCSVI syndrome. There is no proof for pwMS, just treating symptoms.
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Re: "THE SPINE" MORE PROOF--YET IGNORED IN DIAG. AND TREATME

Postby David1949 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:44 pm

I keep having to remind myself (and the doctors) that MS does not make me immune to other problems.
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Postby Taurus » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:58 pm

I was also diagnosed with MS in December 2008 but also suffered a bad low back pain and heavy shoulder with severe itching/ numbness in right hand. On my insistence, my neuro recommended EMG/ NCS of upper limbs and MRI of Lumber. The results were herniated disc protrusion in lumber and TOS plus mild CTS on my right side. Now I am going for my TOS plus CTS recovery through surgery.
I also agree that not all problems relate to MS and please do not let your doc suggest u that your all symptoms come under the MS blanket. You need more careful investigations. Best of Luck
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Re: "THE SPINE" MORE PROOF--YET IGNORED IN DIAG. AND TREATME

Postby MarkW » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:36 am

David1949 wrote:I keep having to remind myself (and the doctors) that MS does not make me immune to other problems.

You must ask Neurologists to explain why this 'auto-immune' disease has not yet made you immune to motor cars. .................MarkW
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