FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

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FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby dania » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:37 am

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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby 1eye » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:10 am

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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby dania » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:18 am

This is what Dr Flanagan wrote on his thread.
What is becoming apparent, and one of the major questions being answered by the study is the role of obstruction to CSF flow in neurodegenerative diseases. The upright scans of the craniocervical junction paint a very clear picture thanks to the hard work of Dr. Rosa working with Dr. Damadian and FONAR. The images of the craniocervical junction and CSF flow are outstanding.
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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby 1eye » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:36 am

To try to qualify what might be perceived as negativity by looking a bit deeper: I have often written here about the effect (thanks again to Cureious for telling me about this), of diameter on flow in a pipe. Assuming CSF is also flowing in a pipe: a variation of say 5 degrees may have a profound effect, if the same variation causes a loss of diameter. The farther you are from the centre of a circle, the more six degrees of rotation affects the diameter, either of the CSF pipe or of any veins impinged on at the edge of the vertebra.. I mention this because the veins are far from the centre of the CSF pipe. If the vertebrae are impinging on them, say, 2 inches (I'm just guessing) from the centre of the the rotation, six degrees would translate to a compression of veins, maybe arteries, maybe nerves, of about 4mm..

The sine of the ratio of the vein wall side to about 2" through 5 degrees is 0.0872. So the length of the rotation at that distance from the centre is about 4mm.

At these scales, and given the fourth-power law of diameter affecting either flow or pressure or both, such a distance may be very significant.
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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby dania » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:53 am

If you look at the following diagrams in the link. It shows the jugular being affected when the atlas is misaligned.
http://www.atlantotec.com/en/fundamenta ... agus-nerve
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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby HappyPoet » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:19 am

Here are illustrations that dania found:



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1) Spinal cord
2) Tooth of Axis
3) Vagus nerve
4) Internal jugular vein
5) Internal carotid artery
6) Atlas
7) Vertebral artery

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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby HappyPoet » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:22 am

1eye, here is what Dr. Wehrenberg sent me after my AO X-rays:

We do not put the misalignment numbers in percentages, but this is what you measured:
The displacement between the atlas and the skull (ACD) measured Left 3.5 degrees. The C2 Spinous Process was rotated 18 degrees to the left. The Atlas plane line (how the atlas vertebra has left the level plane) is high on the left 15 mm. The lower cervical spine was shifted to the right .25 degrees. In the Horizontal view (Y axis), the Atlas was rotated forward 6 degrees.


Edit: Here is another current thread you should read (Sharon Richardson gives an excellent post): chronic-cerebrospinal-venous-insufficiency-ccsvi-f40/topic20510.html
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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby PointsNorth » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:01 am

Pardon my ignorance guys, but are most IJV stenoses at the level of our atlas? Perhaps the position of the misaligned atlas can predict which IJV is affected and if so how severely? This would be easy to determine given the data we have collected to date?
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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby MrSuccess » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:06 am

unequal leg length is normal ....

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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby dania » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:12 am

Not normal in my case. My hips are also out of alignment. Muscle contractions are pulling the leg up. And has only become more severe with time.
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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby HappyPoet » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:37 pm

Mr. Success, a person can have unequal leg lengths with their hips, spine, and Atlas in perfect alignment. Atlas Orthogonal is concerned with a misaligned Atlas that forces one hip to pull up which causes the leg to also pull up which creates the type of unequal leg length we're discussing.

Try this: on your back on the floor with your legs out straight, slide up one hip to see what happens to your leg length compared to the other leg -- this is different from a person being born with one leg longer than the other with their hips in perfect alignment.

It's dangerous to walk with different leg lengths, but the more important concern is compromised CSF and blood flow and compression of the cord and Vagus nerve. Hope all this made sense.
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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby Cece » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:55 pm

those are helpful graphics, HappyPoet
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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby HappyPoet » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:08 pm

PN, I'll take a crack at your question: Most IJV stenoses are valve-related at the collar bone level near where the IJV meets the brachiocephalic vein. However, I think the outermost parts of the Atlas, if they are very long, can impinge the IJV... impinged against what, I don't know--the neck is very compact, so possibly impinged against a muscle or an artery?

Edit: PN, the graphic above shows the IJV being compressed by the Atlas, so please forget what I said about the outermost part of the Atlas, sry 'bout my brain fog.

Cece, glad you saw the graphics. :)
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Re: FONAR MRI & MS TREATMENT

Postby PointsNorth » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:39 pm

Thanks HP, I'll try to dig out my MRV/I pics to see if my stenoses are in the atlas neighbourhood.

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