Five CCSVI MS Types

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Five CCSVI MS Types

Postby vesta » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:19 am

I believe Dr. Zamboni has discovered the problem – venous blood reflux or CCSVI – but not the sole solution. Detoxification and nutritional therapy coupled with circulation therapies and/or skeletal adjustments may suffice to cure or control MS without taking the risk of angioplasty.
I've concluded there are 5 basic MS types, all of which leading to a reflux of venous blood into the Central Nervous System.
1) CONGENITAL vein malformations. 2) DEVELOPMENTAL vein malformations. 3) AGING vein malformations 4) SKELETAL – Cerebrospinal fluid pressure. 5) TOXIC MS.

As for the current categories of Relapse/Remit and the various Progressive MS's, I don't believe these properly describe the problem and certainly don't point to a solution. The various immunosuppressive drugs developed since 1990 are used only for the Relapse/Remit phase, so once you've hit the Progressive stage, you might as well listen to alternative ideas.
CONGENITAL: This idea is favoured by Phlebologists and Dr. Sclafani. However, it doesn’t account for the epidemiological variations in geography, culture or gender. It certainly can’t explain the dramatic increase in Japanese MS cases over the past 30 years. However, obviously it can be one factor.
DEVELOPMENTAL: My beginning hypothesis was that stress (of many potential origins) damages the veins in the child's developing body so that once adult the veins can no longer accommodate the blood flow. Defects in the circulatory system impede if not outright block blood flow leading from the brain and spinal cord leading to MS "attacks" and subsequent paralysis. It is for this reason that MS first generally manifests during or after adolescence. Dr. Zamboni himself observed deformities in the veins in the back and neck of MS patients. These areas correspond to Acupuncture meridians which control blood/fluid circulation.
AGING MS: The third type develops with age. There is no reason why veins shouldn't harden and malfunction as a part of the aging process. When the valves in veins draining the central nervous system malfunction, blood backs up to injure the myelin sheath.

THE ANGIOPLASTY CURE has been suggested for these types of MS (Congenital, Developmental, Aging) characterized by varied vein malformations - stenosed (narrowed), twisted, exhibiting stuck or deformed valves, or just plain missing. The Italian phlebologist Dr. Zamboni launched the theory he named CCSVI. The treatment consists of threading a catheter through the affected vein and opening it with a “balloon” . Initially the Internal Jugular Veins, the Vertebral Veins and the Chest Azygos vein were treated. Other veins leading from the spinal cord are now treated as well. Development of the Intravenous Ultrasound has allowed Interventional Radiologists to see what is going on inside the vein, determine the appropriate size of the balloon to open the stenosed vein without scarring, and avoid various complications. Stents have been inserted into veins which collapsed after being opened. (Dr. Sclafani believes the early 50% failure rate in the Jugular vein angioplasty occurred because the balloons were too small to open the veins sufficiently.) However, if the balloon is too large it risks scarring the vein lining tissue (endothelium) which might lead to thrombosis – the vein being closed off entirely. There have been cases where, after the initial “liberation”, the vein closes off again and each subsequent intervention leads to more scarring and tissue damage. Some have experienced little if any improvement. (Not all the veins leading from the spinal cord are treated.) Some have found themselves in a worse condition after the angioplasty than before. (One woman reported that her veins shriveled up into useless dried out structures through which no blood could flow.) Risks include brain hemorrhage, blood clots, and stent migration into the heart. Presumably with experience and the development of new techniques and material the few early tragedies which have occurred can be avoided. (Already use of the IntravenousUltrasound has decreased the risk factor dramatically.)
Some have reported dramatic recoveries, often with stents inserted, at least 2 years after Angioplasty. They have been CURED. (I don’t know the longest post operative success story. Treatments began sometime in 2009.) The lives of some have been so transformed that they now wonder if they should declare themselves free of MS and therefore ineligible for disability benefits.

Nonetheless, while some have been apparently cured, the risks of angioplasty are real. Before rushing into the operating theater, consider first treatment of Types 4) SKELETAL and 5) TOXIC MS.

SKELETAL MS: A misaligned skeletal, bone or dental structure can actually restrict the free flow of cerebrospinal fluid which in turn can compress or impede venous blood circulation. Structural problems can be either congenital or developmental in origin (e.g. accidents.) Recent scientific studies have focused on the interdependent dynamic of brain "fluids", the blood and the cerebrospinal fluid (CBF) which bathes the Central Nervous System. Excess cerebrospinal fluid can actually "compress" or limit blood circulation, hence the interest of Chiropractors in adjusting the Atlas bone to assure proper CBF circulation. If the problem is SKELETAL, angioplasty would not be appropriate. In this case it is not a problem INSIDE the vein but OUTSIDE. Chiropractic, Osteopathic or Dental adjustment may suffice to release the brain fluids flow leading to CURE or CONTROL.

FINALLY THERE IS TOXIC MS.
I include in this category not only known toxins such as mercury in dental amalgams, aspartame, glutens and various food intolerances, but myriad microbes/viruses such as mononucleosis, epstein barr, chlamydia, lyme as well as various metabolic disorders such as toxic "gut" and diabetes. OK that's a big category. One might say I am being simplistic. BUT MAYBE IT IS JUST THAT SIMPLE. Whatever stresses the body in those individuals with a compromised vascular system may trigger the blood reflux into the CNS. Illness in childhood may damage the vascular system, stress including toxic stress may trigger the reflux. Toxicity itself may damage the veins. All these factors may stress the vascular system leading to a venous blood reflux. Detoxification, intestinal cleansing, and appropriate nutrition will reduce pressure on the vascular system as well as nurture the brain and heal nerve damage.
CURE: Some MS patients recover through diet cleansing and nutritional therapy alone. Some may have a "temporary" stress reaction to a toxic substance such as aspartame (or mercury in dental almagam fillings.) The reaction is "temporary" in the sense that once the toxin is removed, the MS symptoms disappear. I have even heard that removing glutens from the diet is sufficient to heal.
CONTROL: Dr. Terry Wahls (see You Tube Minding Your Mitochondria) presents another excellent example. She began her treatment by de-toxifying from the MS drugs which were poisoning her and then optimized her nutrition. Her recovery implies that her veins were not actually blocked, but tensed up enough to cause a reflux. Also, she stimulated her blood circulation by electrical stimulation of the bands of muscles on her back, in other words, the bladder meridian. Optimal Diet/Supplements serve two purposes. 1) to prevent stress on the vascular system which might lead to blood reflux and 2) heal damaged tissue.

In addition to nutritional therapy, most MS patients probably will require treatment to enhance blood circulation to prevent blood refluxes – massage, ayervedic massage, acupuncture, self acupressure, osteopathy, chiropractic, swimming.

Again, to make a long story short, Dr. Zamboni has discovered the problem – venous blood reflux or CCSVI – but not the sole solution. Detoxification and nutritional therapy coupled with circulation therapies and/or skeletal adjustments may suffice without taking the risk of angioplasty.

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Re: Five CCSVI MS Types

Postby MrSuccess » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:59 pm

nice to see how much thought and research you have put into your theory ....

I have dismissed - changes to the environment - as possible causes of MS , simply because many - if not all - chemicals , pollutants , other man made crap , was invented many years AFTER the discovery of MS. Which I think was about 150 years ago. Environment ? I don't see the connection.

What HAS been around as long - if not longer - than MS ...... is mankind suffering from -TRAUMA.-

As statistics tell us ..... females vastly outnumber males in MS diagnosis. By and large the female population is smaller in size , and bulk. As is Mrs.Success compared to MrSuccess.

As never before ..... the female population has entered into the work & sports world once dominated by men. Thus .... exposing themselves to the risk of blunt injury . I include automobile accidents.

I ask ..... is the female anatomy designed to be resilent to blunt trauma ?

Did your Great Grandmother practice Judo , Box , or even risk falling out of a tree picking apples ?

Certainly something to think about.


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Re: Five CCSVI MS Types

Postby blossom » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:35 pm

vesta, you pretty much said it all. lots of thought and common sence. how the symptoms someone named ms came about and grouped an all in one "autoimmune theory" and sadly pretty much was a brain washing for people with these symptoms for way way too long. but, the legal drug lords have made a killing in the mean time and they have "cured noone". instead many are worse off.

and a person should be checked and checked thoroughly for the above things you mentioned before any rat poison is prescribed--oops i'm sorry i meant mouse poison-those little fella's get tortured first.

basically mainstream isn't gonna be much help at this point of things. but at least there is more hope for those who want to venture.

trauma is my pet peeve but i agree with your thoughts. one shoe won 't fit all.
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Re: Five CCSVI MS Types

Postby vesta » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:35 am

Mr Success and blossom, thanks for the positive feedback. I would add "success stress" as another factor in the increase in female MS , that is to say more pressure than ever is put on women to "succeed" professionally. (I wrote a blog entry titled "success stress" which might interest Mr Success. I mention this from my own personal experience.) As for the "autoimmune theory", another so called auto immune disease disappeared when I detoxified and improved my diet (endometriosis) If you look up auto-immune disease under Wikipedia, an enormous list follows. I suspect most would disappear if one detoxified and improved one's diet according to one's own individual metabolism. Of course, that takes work and often the help of a knowledgable healer MS is particularly vicious because it can lead to paralysis and damages the central nervous system. Thanks again
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Re: Five CCSVI MS Types

Postby Amir » Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:50 pm

vesta wrote:As for the current categories of Relapse/Remit and the various Progressive MS's, I don't believe these properly describe the problem and certainly don't point to a solution. The various immunosuppressive drugs developed since 1990 are used only for the Relapse/Remit phase, so once you've hit the Progressive stage, you might as well listen to alternative ideas.


My contention is that one needs a Cranio dental and Skeletal Symmetry evaluation before one undergoes extensive MRI scans and spinal taps etc. and before one gets branded into any unknown illness because that is what 'MS' is.

The first sign of fatigue, one sided pains, numbness, IBS, Headaches. migraines, neck and back pain all warrant a symmetry examination and treatment - not undue delay because the conglomeration of diverse symptoms is enabling the branding of patients into weird syndromes and imaginary illnesses.

It is being proved time and again that the infirmity, disabilitity, 'neuropathic pain' L'ehrmittes sign etc. have absolutely nothing to do with brain demyelination or 'brain lesions'. The patient recovery is too fast for this to be a valid argument.
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Re: Five CCSVI MS Types

Postby Rogan » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:18 pm

Vesta, great summary ideas.

I follow most of this but I think I question "Toxic MS"? Wouldn't toxic diseases first appear in the liver?

Improved MS through improved diet can be explained through the CCSVI as the cause for MS theory. If you improve your health/blood circulation your MS would improve. Assuming you believe CCSVI is a contributor to some percentage of MS cases.

I do really believe their are trauma MS cases and spinal MS. Dr. Schelling has some great info on this here.

http://www.ms-info.net/animation_4.swf


Thanks again for your summary. I think you are correct.
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Re: Five CCSVI MS Types

Postby jimmylegs » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:54 pm

the ms liver topic (one among many)
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Re: Five CCSVI MS Types

Postby Cece » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:26 pm

I think toxins can end up in the brain as a result of a too-open blood brain barrier? Whether it's inflammation causing the blood brain barrier to be too open or it's CCSVI-related hemodynamics causing it. Toxins aren't going to help the situation, by any means. Thinking about MS in gulf war vets.
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Re: Five CCSVI MS Types

Postby vesta » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:23 am

Rogan wrote:Vesta, great summary ideas.

I follow most of this but I think I question "Toxic MS"? Wouldn't toxic diseases first appear in the liver?

Improved MS through improved diet can be explained through the CCSVI as the cause for MS theory. If you improve your health/blood circulation your MS would improve. Assuming you believe CCSVI is a contributor to some percentage of MS cases.

I do really believe their are trauma MS cases and spinal MS. Dr. Schelling has some great info on this here.

http://www.ms-info.net/animation_4.swf
Thanks again for your summary. I think you are correct.



Thanks Rogan for the input. I use toxic in a very general sense, emotional shock can be "toxic", I think all these factors create a stress which compresses the veins or the muscles compress the general circulation affecting the brain. Toxins do poison the liver, in Chinese medecine the liver meridian partner is the Gall Bladder Meridian which detoxifies and rules blood circulation and is the primary meridian used to treat MS. I'm not thinking too clearly right now because of the holidays. "Toxicity" may trigger an attack, and then the blood reflux triggers a cascade of immune system reactions which magnifies the toxicity. Nonetheless, in my opinion it is the blood reflux which triggers off the rest. Everyone has a point of vulnerability, for some the stomach or the heart or whatever, for MS it must be the cranial fluid circulation. I agree that trauma can definitely "deform" the physical structure leading to poor blood fluid circulation. I am fighting off a "flu" and can feel all my muscles cramp up and have nerve symptoms, and am giving myself TENS self acupressure and doing everything to stop this process. (I use oscillococciinum (homeopathy)which seems to be working, but can still feel the tightness in my musculature.) It is so obvious to me how stress impacts my back/neck muscles pushing the blood right up into my brain.
Thanks again, it's encouraging to get positive feedback.
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Re: Five CCSVI MS Types

Postby elyse_peace » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:42 am

Vesta,
i'd like to add my thanks to you for this conversation. i have considered the procedure since i learned of it in 2009. i am glad i did not take dr. zamboni's advice to do it "sooner rather than later", in the case of aging and worsening illness.
i have put the whole subject on the back burner since i learned that blossom had no improvements, and worse, has post-op numbness. i do not need to add to my difficulties.
i feel that cleaning up inside will do the most good. i'm very reticent to give up the goodies, but giving up the disability would be great.
i feel that all of you on this site are my friends and family. thank you all. and i wish you happy holidays.
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