Inclined Bed Therapy

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CCSVI CVI MS and Inclined Therapy

Postby AndrewKFletcher » Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:38 pm

Original question: What's IBT, never heard of the abbreviation ???'

IBT stands for Inclined Bed Therapy. It was discovered by medical researcher and engineer, Andrew K Fletcher and back in the 1990s. However, his idea was dismissed simply because it appears to fly in the face of the previous beliefs on the part of the medical text books about how the circulatory system works. Andrew discovered that, instead of the heart being solely responsible for pumping our blood around the system, gravity also played a vital part, and especially in removing toxins and solutes from the blood, and removing these from the body via the kidneys and urine.

For a long time, I have had problems with varicose veins and oedema, and periodic bouts of phlebitis, so when, a few months ago, I discovered a study was being done on The Naked Scientists forum - see this link: Varicose Veins & IBT Study - I followed some of the links shown there, and realised that this could also help a long term back problem that I have, and other conditions, too.

Andrew agreed that I could join in the study group, and I spoke with my doctor about it too. My doctor said he couldn't see any reason why I shouldn't join in, but to expect my oedema and varicose veins to get worse! This because instead of raising the legs, one sleeps at a 5 degree angle and with the legs lower than the head. Well, he was astonished to see the difference himself, because my oedema disappeared within days! My calves were measured prior to commencing IBT and after, and they reduced in size by as much as 5cms - about 2.5"!


I also started to get decent quality, restorative sleep almost immediately, which is something I've not experienced for years! Indeed, due to my back problem, and a natural chemical reaction that it seems to cause when flaring, very often I would go for days or even weeks at a time without any sleep at all, or just brief periods of dozing, and when in a sitting position, because often the back would not even allow me to assume a prone position.

Other benefits include a lowering of blood pressure - and a friend (aged 58 and in Wales) who was recently told by his doctor that his BP was so dangerously high that he could die at any moment, commenced IBT and with almost immediate benefits! His BP, and without medication, has now reduced consistently to a range between 130/75 and 120/70, and sometimes as low as 110/65! His doctor was stunned by this result!

Now that I have been doing IBT for a couple of months, I am beginning to notice improvements in my back problem. This I was told likely wouldn't be noticeable for four to eight months, and mainly because there are two conditions that affect my spine. In the lumbar region, I have osteoarthritis, and there I have noticed a lessening of the pain in that region. In fact, sometimes I realise I don't even have that dull ache that never seemed to go away at all! Higher up, and in the thoracic region, I've been affected by periods of severe inflammation and pain, including severe muscle spasms (like electric shocks) that can sometimes have a paralysing effect and make breathing difficult and also affects the use of my hands and arms. After many years, that has finally been diagnosed as arachnoiditis, and after those medically qualified people following the IBT trial recognised the symptoms and alerted me to mention it to my doctor, when all the pointers over the years suddenly fell into place! Whatever, there has definitely been a lessening of the incidents of inflammation and therefore muscle spasms and their strength since commencing IBT. (Also my need to take medication to address thesee!) I have also started to lose some weight at last, and had been really struggling to do that for years, and largely because I wasn't able to exercise much at all - and now I can (to some degree) and without aggravating the back!

There are lots of conditions that IBT can help to improve, and quality of life is not the least amongst them! The best of it is, it is virtually free! Raising the head end of the bed just 6" can be achieved with a couple of breeze blocks - even recycled ones! In my case, and because of the type of legs on my bed-settee, I chose to have wooden blocks made with a hollowed out section in them that would hold the bed's legs securely in place, and those cost me just £30! A price well worth paying for the improvement in my sleep quality alone, and because now I have energy again, and feel really quite well! (This even despite undergoing chemotherapy for breast cancer during much of the time I've been doing the IBT trial!)

If you think it could help you, why not just try it? Beg a couple of old breeze blocks from a builder, wrap them in old towels to protect you carpet or flooring, and raise the HEAD end of your bed by 6". Do make sure that you drink plenty of fluids too, and so that you don't become dehydrated as the solutes and toxins are removed from your body. IBT provides quite a powerful detox to the system and you may well find yourself popping to the bathroom on a more regular basis. If you find yourself slipping down the bed a bit, wrap an extra duvet around the mattress and under the sheet to provide some extra comfort and friction, also don't sleep in pants that could cut into the groin a bit, and do remove any footboard from the bed to avoid pressure on the feet. You can always add a throw over the end of the bed to keep your feet warm if the poke out a bit, but one thing I have really noticed, is that my previously cold feet (due to poor circulation) are now like toast!

There are a huge number of medical conditions that can benefit from IBT, including heart conditions, sleep apnoea, breathing problems, spinal problems, arthritis, MS, circulatory problems, skin conditions, and so on.

So far the only person amongst those friends whom I've recommended it to to complain about its benefits, is a chap who has suddenly started getting early morning erections on a regular basis, and after years of having a problem in that department! Others that have discovered this same thing don't see to consider it a problem at all - at least, not one they cannot deal with! In fact, it's been quite a handy thing when it comes to couples where the wife may have had leg problems and the husband being reluctant to raise their bed just for his wife's benefit! Fit people trying it, have noticed that they wake feeling more refreshed and energetic, and young, fit couples, tell me that yes, it does seem to improve their love lives too! (Well, haven't the Welsh always been a pasionate race? wink )

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum ... #msg193451

On the same page there are more photographs taken by Alun showing his varicose veins after a night sleeping inclined and before he gets out of bed. I am sure you will agree that there is no doubt about I.T. altering the veins!
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Postby kc » Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:31 pm

I shoved a pillow under my side of the bed since my husband was not interested in putting blocks under the head board. Better than a kick in the fanny, huh? I started this Dec 10th.

The first day after sleeping on ibt I could take a step with only holding one cane. I had not done this in 2-3 yrs. I felt much stronger.

The next days I felt like I was drunk. Really tired but believe you me nothing compared to ms stuff. This feeling was constant until dec23 rd. On dec 25th I slept so well and woke up with energy! I was able to fulfill all my obligations over Christmas!

Last night I only slept for 6 or so hours on and off but I am functioning quite well considering.

I would say that with my pillow shoved underneath myside, it is about a 3 inch rise. I do not seem to feel that cold sensation that actually hurts lately. My nails grew quite long within the first few days but I bit them all off. My face has broken out more but I think that has something to do with the detox.

I will continue and report in. This correlate nicely with the ccsvi theory. :)
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Postby Algis » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:37 pm

I finally found a 'temporary' solution to incline the bed. My wife found a neat piece of wood that is about 12cm high and large enough to occupy the space beneath my side of the bed, under the mattress. We only raised my side.
I slept OK. Maybe a little better; but not much. But definitely not worse.
When I first went to bed my lower back felt strange (not hurt) so I was afraid to wake up with pain; but my back is fine.
I'll try to keep as precise reports as I can; but if nothing happen I cant report :P - It will probably take a while for me; being wheel-chair bound.
More as it come, thank you Andrew!
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Postby CPK » Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:04 pm

Hello Everyone,

I have been a lurker here for quite a while and really appreciate all the help that is given. I am a 40 year old male, I am a farmer and married with 3 children and a wonderful wife. I was diagnosed with MS in 1999 due to weakness in my legs. Since then I did recover to full function with a couple more bouts of weak legs in the years that followed. I was in a car crash in 2002 with a broken leg and arm and took a while to heal. The reason I tell that is that I was symptom free of MS for about 3 years after the crash. No idea if they are related but I thought I would throw it out there.

About three years ago I temporarily lost the vision on the upper half of my left eye. Went to the eye doctor and then my Neuro and found that I had ON and some evidence of having it before. That trip to the Neuro was my first since 1999. I have never taken anything for my MS and my Neuro has never said I should. I still have discomfort in my eyes. They sometimes feel like they are under pressure with a slight headache. They feel dry and itchy when I wake up in the morning.

I dont know if this was the right place to tell my story so sorry if it is not. The reason I chose here is that I have been using IBT for about 2 weeks now and have noticed some things. The biggest for me has been a clear head and more energy right away in the morning. Before it would take me so long to get going. The best part of the day for me had always been from about 4 PM till bed. That is when my mind worked the best and I was the most alert. Now I am so alert in the mornings with a clear head. :D The other thing is not much for headaches which for the last couple months had been pretty much everyday. Not terrible ones but you know they are there and advil or excedrin does help. One other thing I almost forgot was heart burn. For the last year I was having heart burn roughly 5 nights a week. I had never had a problem with it before. I was taking a Zantac for relief. Since I raised my bed I have not had heartburn once.
I have not noticed much improvement with the itchy dry eyes in the morning and the pressure I some time feel in them.

Thanks to all who care enough to help others through places like this. This is my experience so far with IBT. I will report any changes I see in the future
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Postby Dovechick » Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:30 pm

Welcome CPK, It will indeed be interesting to see how you get on. The alertness in the am is a good start. I'm doing this too and keeping a diary to record my progress. The first obvious positive sign for me is better sleep with fewer visits to the bathroom.
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Postby Algis » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:54 am

@Andrew: forgot to precise: I sleep all night on my right side; in a fetus position - I cannot sleep in any other position since as far as I can remember. Now that my legs are paralyzed; my wife would help me fold and turn for the night.

I don't know the importance of that in the IBT theory tho.

Thank you.
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Postby AndrewKFletcher » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:25 am

Algis Congrats on finding a solution.

Thanks for joining us at last :) You should begin to notice changes / diferences after around 4 weeks, given the level of your ms. I'll bet your wife will become more inquisitive and ask for her side to be raised also :)
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Re: ibt

Postby AndrewKFletcher » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:28 am

kc wrote:I shoved a pillow under my side of the bed since my husband was not interested in putting blocks under the head board. Better than a kick in the fanny, huh? I started this Dec 10th.

The first day after sleeping on ibt I could take a step with only holding one cane. I had not done this in 2-3 yrs. I felt much stronger.

The next days I felt like I was drunk. Really tired but believe you me nothing compared to ms stuff. This feeling was constant until dec23 rd. On dec 25th I slept so well and woke up with energy! I was able to fulfill all my obligations over Christmas!

Last night I only slept for 6 or so hours on and off but I am functioning quite well considering.

I would say that with my pillow shoved underneath myside, it is about a 3 inch rise. I do not seem to feel that cold sensation that actually hurts lately. My nails grew quite long within the first few days but I bit them all off. My face has broken out more but I think that has something to do with the detox.

I will continue and report in. This correlate nicely with the ccsvi theory. :)


KC

Thank you for posting your experience using I.T. Your results speak for themselves.

Did you have the stent or angioplasty surgery? Or are you just using I.T.?
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Postby AndrewKFletcher » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:35 am

CPK

Thanks for joining us.

First two weeks can be a little odd, increased pain, discomfort, head aches and aching muscles along with a stiff neck. Following the first two weeks we should begin to see a gradual but steady improvement. That said, this may not be a pain free experience as nerve pathways begin to re-open.

But Wow what a difference over a few days.

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Postby healthymama » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:55 pm

My bed has been inclined for about 2 months now. I even brought my blocks on vacation to Hawaii. My energy was so good in Hawaii that I felt almost like I didn't have MS, though I was only recently diagnosed.
I sleep better and do not "black out" when I get up in the morning. My optic neuritis is not gone yet. I have had it since March. I'm sure it just needs more time.

What I am really posting about has nothing to do with CCSVI or MS. I have noticed that my menstrual cycle has regulated, I have never in my life had a 30 day cycle until now! My sister A inclined her bed and she now has a regular cycle too. She averaged one period every 3-6 months before. I don't think this is a weird coincidence. Have you heard of this happening with other women? My other sister B plans to incline her bed as soon as she gets home from visiting me, she also struggles with irregular periods and infertility.

The other part of this question dealing with infertility is can sperm swim uphill on an inclined bed? I'm guessing there won't be a problem, but I have heard of women who are artificially inseminated who try to stay declined to insure the sperm gets where it should.

Thanks so much for all the info. I really feel this simple choice is key in slowing MS progression. I am greatful to all the work you do Andrew.
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Postby AndrewKFletcher » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:57 pm

healthymama

First of all, a relative conceived naturally after tilting her bed, despite failure with IVF. And yes monthly cycles have altered for people before using I.T. This came to light in the pilot studies.

We are on new ground for many here and trying to remain focused on ms. That said we are also looking for any changes and patterns of changes irrespective of whether they are ms related or not.

So this poses a huge question and one I have pondered about for many years.


What if the sperm requires the gravity direction to know where to swim? What if being horizontal confuses then and causes them to swim in all directions and this greatly reduces the chance of conceiving. What if gravity is a driving force for the sperms motility?

This is a very deep subject which crosses many boundaries including evolution, embryology, spinal column development, the formation of the heart etc.

The clue lies in the fact that NASA and many other space programmes use prolonged flat bed rest and head down bedrest to bring about the same rapid ageing and atrophy associated with space travel. It’s cheaper to put someone on a flat bed and watch then deteriorate.

So the relationship between gravity direction and the fluids in the body on a flat bed mirrors that of micro gravity in space.

I am overwhelmed / humbled by the gratitude shown on this forum. On other forums where I have tried to help by explaining where this is going it has been thrown back in my face, even when the results were proving the link between gravity and illnesses. I can tell from the questions people are asking that they have read a lot of what has been posted and have understood the simplicity of this ancient paradigm, first evidence of I.T. discovered and used by the Ancient Egyptians 4 thousand years ago.

I hope the articles below will shed some light on fertility problems for you and your sisters.


http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/tag/microgravity/
J Androl. 1992 Sep-Oct;13(5):433-6.
Sperm motility under conditions of weightlessness.
Engelmann U, Krassnigg F, Schill WB.
Department of Dermatology and Andrology, Justus Liebig University Giessen, Germany.
The aim of this study was to determine the differences in motility of frozen and thawed bull spermatozoa under conditions of weightlessness compared with ground conditions. The tests were performed within a series of scientific and technologic experiments under microgravity using sounding rockets in the Technologische Experimente unter Schwerelosigkeit (TEXUS) program launched in Kiruna, North Sweden. Using a computerized sperm motility analyzer, significant differences were found in sperm motility under microgravity compared with sperm under gravitational conditions on earth. Computer analysis showed alterations in straight line and curvilinear velocity, as well as in linearity values. The amount of progressively motile spermatozoa, including all spermatozoa with a velocity > 20 microns/second, increased significantly from 24% +/- 9.5% in the reference test to 49% +/- 7.6% in the microgravity test. In conclusion, there is strong evidence that gravity influences sperm motility.


Human Sperm in Microgravity
http://www.citeulike.org/article/3837595
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I am pretty excited about this

Postby kc » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:45 pm

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Today my husband and I went to BJ'S. (A Warehouse store which is very large)

Normally I have to have someone drive a scooter right to my car. But today I felt strong enough to walk in the store with a cart . Now it was probably only a couple hundred feet but I have not done this for a couple of years. (After I waLked in I got into the scooter. )

Now this is even more wild.. I aLso walked out with the cart afterwards. It was a lot heavier than walking in because we bought gallons of water. And I did not feel like I was going to crumble onto the ground.

My gait was ugly but I am quite happy that I did this today.

You can bet I am sleepin inclined from now on.

No I have not had the ccsvi surgery or stents. This little experiment is telling me that i definately do have drainage problems.

It is 7pm here, just ate dinner and now I am going to ride my indoor stATIonary bike. OH YES

KC :D 8) :lol: :roll:
P>S> The only other thing i have done differently is adding a vein support supplement. I have been on that for about 4-5 days.
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Postby CureIous » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:10 pm

Just one long and fascinating discussion this all is. I hate my flat bed now. No way though to modify it given the current configuration. It does make sense though, that post-op it was impossible for me to sleep flat and I ended up propped up very well on the couch, and had tons of energy in the morning. In the months since have not felt that pop! in the morning, but still fairly well bounce, and no cobwebs or confusion.

Maybe in the future they'll just sell modified beds and be done with the flat frame variety. Lol.

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Postby kathryn6112 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:36 pm

Hi all. I was sleeping a little late this morning but woke up abruptly at 8:15 when my bed started to slide! I had rigged it with wood and books a few weeks ago and it decided to collapse this morning! It was kind of funny, really. Anyway, I went to my regular flat bed to doze a little more and could not get comfortable. I don't know that I will ever be able to sleep flat again.

I haven't seen much improvement yet with the inclined bed, but I do sleep a little longer without having to get up to pee, so that is a big bonus. I re-set the bed a little sturdier (I hope) and will keep trying it. If I see more improvement, I will try to persuade my hubby to do our king bed (properly). He is willing but wants to make sure it is doing something for me first. I think it will help him too with his sinuses.

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Postby Vhoenecke » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:06 pm

My bed goes up tonight thanks to my supportive husband. I am excited to get started.
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