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Postby ozarkcanoer » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:39 pm

Speaking of Zamboni... Here is a link to an abstract of his upcoming paper :


http://docente.unife.it/paolo.zamboni/p ... 3691#33691
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Postby Lyon » Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:14 pm

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Postby Sharon » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:22 pm

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i.e. they should help also in other conditions accompanied by inflammation, just like other, less high-tech than Copaxone, anti-inflammatories should help in MS.

Marie continues to take Copaxone because it relieves symptoms of RA

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Re: MS Society and eNews and CCSVI

Postby NHE » Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:13 pm

Lyon wrote:The history of the world shows that the "truths" of the world are a constant evolution and that if there ever really were a "conclusive truth" the present generation would have no way of knowing it. The world has never seen a "fact" which hasn't eventually been disproven.


Please post your disproofs of the first and second laws of thermodynamics.

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Postby ozarkcanoer » Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:20 pm

:D Touche, NHE !!!!!
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Postby Lyon » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:10 pm

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Postby ozarkcanoer » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:37 pm

Science is based upon the assumption that the world can be known and understood by observation. If you assume that we never really KNOW anything, then we are left with a science fiction world... Something from the Phillip K. Dick novel "Eye in the Sky". In this story the world really DOES change to fit the realities of individual people. If you are a jihadist, then you really do get 40 virgins if you die for your faith. If you hate gays, then they really are evil and burn in hell. It's all chaos.
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Re: MS Society and eNews and CCSVI

Postby CureOrBust » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:39 pm

NHE wrote:Please post your disproofs of the first and second laws of thermodynamics.
:lol: :lol: :lol: But not lost on all.
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Postby CureIous » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:25 pm

Putting on my fire suit and stepping on in, going on my 3rd straight month of this wonderful "placebo" effect. Instead of dreading the drudgery of trudging through the day half alert to the world with no impetus to do much of anything, I've spent the last 3 months running out of hours to do stuff and not caring about sleep. Complete flip flop from pre-op. My anectdotal "dismissable" placebo effect is the best thing that's happened despite the ENTIRE "rest of the world" being skeptical, er, I mean "disbelieving" (are those the same thing?;) ) so hopefully the "rest of the world" will catch on eventually...

If not, then I will continue to enjoy the benefits of this most joyous placebo effect, which the combined billions and billions of dollars of medical and pharmaceutical research did little to assist with.

I'm a walking anectdotal miracle.... :)

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Postby Brainteaser » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:48 pm

Could you please toss a bit o' placebo, my way, too!!! :D...................Not sure about the 40 virgins, though. 8O
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Re: MS Society eNews and CCSVI

Postby NHE » Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:28 am

NHE wrote:Please post your disproofs of the first and second laws of thermodynamics.


I did not post that statement in order to be argumentative. I merely posted it to make that point that I felt that Lyon's statement...

Lyon wrote:The world has never seen a "fact" which hasn't eventually been disproven.


...was entirely too all encompassing.

While it is true in science that some of what we have learned has been subject to revision and correction, there are facts that we can know with complete certainty. I gave two examples of such facts. There are more, but those two are entirely sufficient.

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Postby ozarkcanoer » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:35 am

Brainteaser... I mean the world of Phillip K Dick's novel "Eye in the sky", LOL, NOT this world. Read the book. You will enjoy it !!!
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Postby LR1234 » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:38 am

I'm going to order if for my fiance for xmas, it sounds good:)
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Postby ozarkcanoer » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:41 am

Phillip K Dick was a classic writer of the "golden" age of science fiction. I don't know if "Eye in the Sky" is still in print. Google it though and see if you can find it.
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Postby ozarkcanoer » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:08 am

LR1234... I checked Amazon... "Eye in the Sky" is definitely in print !!
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