Medical Myths website Re: CCSVI - Comments please

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Postby Mutley » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:37 am

chrishasms wrote:I went off on him...sorry.


lol, a lot more than "some people" would agree with what you wrote about him Chris. Nice work.
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Postby Loobie » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:18 am

You must read my comment I just made. Some of my finest work I do believe! If you read between the lines he is calling himself stupid. How can you say "this can't be right, there is no proof?" when you can't be wrong either using the same argument. I thought I was very gentlemanly and didn't even use my famous "God ruined a perfectly good dick when he put ears on you" line.
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Postby ozarkcanoer » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:42 am

Somebody should mail this naysayer the list of BIG NAMES favorable to CCSVI. Look at the sticky at the top of the CCSVI page.
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Postby ozarkcanoer » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:44 am

I posted this on another thread. But I think it belongs here too :

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Well, about the skeptics, there will always be skeptics. I myself in some hidden place in my mind am a skeptic. But what I am excited about is that there is scientific research going on NOW. At Buffalo... Zivadninov et al. And Dr Zamboni himself said that he looked for quote "EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE". And we have patients of Dr Dake that are walking evidence. And we have the evidence from peer reviewed journals from Zamboni. And Dr Haacke said he wants his MS-MRI protocol to be adopted so there can BE MORE EVIDENCE. What more can be done ?? Now that the news is out and the attention of the MS world has been captured then we can get funding for more studies and get more EVIDENCE.

You can tell I have watched the CTV W5 video several times, LOL.
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Postby sou » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:00 am

How can a pitiful little journalist know what damages a brain and what does not?

Of course, the Zamboni's hypothesis is not yet proven (with the strict mathematical meaning of the word). But how can this man know that it is unprovable? According to him, no scientist should ever spend any time to anything that is contrary to our current beliefs.

Doubt moves the world forward. A scientist must doubt everything. He/She must have a mind so open, to think and prove the most unthinkable ideas.

I can't help but think of Goebels and his fantastic "Theorem of Incompleteness", which applies not only to mathematics, but also to science as a whole.

This journalist asks for proof. Where is the proof for his own claims?

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Postby Loobie » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:20 am

sou,

Read my comment. I ask him exactly that. That he is refuting his own argument by saying "there is no proof". I'm comment #6.
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Postby CureIous » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:20 am

chrishasms wrote:I went off on him...sorry.


You are forgiven, lol. Fact is, we just keep doing what we're doing and answer the legitimate questions and questioners, the open minded skeptics that are amenable to change when new information presents itself, and let the facts speak for themselves. I've had at least 5 people contact me on Facebook alone wanting to know more, I tell them my story as one of many, send them here and tell them to see for themselves. I honestly don't think someone suffering for years from MS is going to stop investigating because some armchair critic says to forget it all.

There's too many people to help (my POV) to chase these blog clickers around all day. Heck there are people on Facebook that don't even *get* that we are here! I try to not leave a post or answer a message without a link to all these wonderful, knowledgeable and intelligent and caring MS'ers here.

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Postby jimmylegs » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:53 pm

i have an idea, we can apply for funding to do a study where we get healthy naysayers to volunteer to have their jugular veins clamped 90% shut and see what happens to them.
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Postby cheerleader » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:57 pm

jimmylegs wrote:i have an idea, we can apply for funding to do a study where we get healthy naysayers to volunteer to have their jugular veins clamped 90% shut and see what happens to them.


BWAHAHAHAHA! Much better than doing it to some poor mouse.
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Postby jimmylegs » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:04 pm

yep, one day i will be in business as jimmylabs, just wait for it LOL
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Postby mrhodes40 » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:05 pm

healthy naysayers...jugulars clamped


WAY TO GO JL!! LOVE LOVE LOVE it. We'll see how inconsequential and "normal" it is once it is done to them.
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Postby bibliotekaren » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:15 pm

jimmylegs wrote:i have an idea, we can apply for funding to do a study where we get healthy naysayers to volunteer to have their jugular veins clamped 90% shut and see what happens to them.

Oh, ROFL Jimmy! Not only have you prompted changes in my magnesium and zinc regimen, you've provided good laughter medicine. My thanks!
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Postby jimmylegs » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:19 pm

:D :D :D
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