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Postby Nees » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:44 am

My mum is Irish, from Roscommon in the west of Ireland. Her cousin had MS and my brother has it too.
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Postby Out2l8 » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:44 am

paulmur wrote:I'm 3/4 Irish. My grandfather was German.
Me too!

Irish / German. That makes us drunk and angry!

Both grand mothers and one grand father are full Irish. Mother is full
Irish. One German grand father that gave this Irish "kid" a German surname!

No mention of anyone having MS in any of my genealogy that I can see.
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Postby wonky1 » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:58 am

I blame the Vikings.
They spread their genes around much of the northern hemisphere including Ireland and interbred with celts.
I have A+ blood from finland I believe.
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Postby andrepol » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:40 am

Is there anywhere a MAP of the MS prevalence?
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Postby elizabwill » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:52 am

I am a NZer. Both my parents are from Scotland.
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Postby Dovechick » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:53 am

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Postby andrepol » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:02 am

Dovechick wrote:It is very small but you get the general idea.



http://www.themcfox.com/multiple-sclerosis/ms-world-map/world-map-of-ms.htm

Oh! Thank you!
mmm... at first sight, the high rate areas of continental Europe look more like those of Burgunds, Saxons, Alamans, Franks ...and Poles ethnicity, rather than Celts...
I have to take a closer look.
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Postby stilltalking » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:58 am

Hello,

I am first generation Canadian. My Father is from Bramley, England and my Mom is from Glasgow, Scotland. My Grandparents were Scottish and my Great Grandma was Irish.

I do believe that Ireland has the highest rate of MS in the world. Canada must be third after Scotland.

I was Dx with MS in July 2007. I became a vegetarian (no beef, pork or chicken) 5 1/2 years ago. I am also anemic. I do not take iron supplements.

Makes you kind of wonder about Dr. Zamboni's iron in the brains of MS patients. Very interesting.

Thanks for posting!!

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Postby whyRwehere » Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:05 pm

my husband is at least 1/2, if not all, Irish, by blood.
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Postby shye » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:46 pm

if you get your ferritin level checked, you'll know if you have hematachromatosis--
for me, 1 grandparent from somwhere in Ireland--

Since I imagine most of us at some point had ferritin checked, probably it is not hematachromatosis that is the problem, but just that iron accumulates in the brain for some reason--I got the impression from something I read (am zonked out from reading on this CCSVI for so many hours in past few days--not really thinking clearly at this point!-can't remember which article mentioned this) that because of the reperfusion of blood in the brain veins, (as could also happen elsewhere in the body's veins, in legs, etc) the cells leak iron (they burst?), and it is THIS iron that accumulates because can't get out at normal rate because blood flow out is slowed--that is, you don't have an actual body iron overload, just accumulated iron in particular spots where it shouldn't be.
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Postby shye » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:52 pm

Merlyn,
I know I am tired now, and maybe not thinking too clearly, but is there in fact a known genetic link in MS as you state?
I don't recall this in my earlier research, and I think Zamboni is theorizing a bit on the genetic angle, but he has done far too few studies with too few patients to make any actual determination on this ? I think
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Postby shye » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:00 pm

Just a thought, that might somehow apply here to CCSVI and where prevelant:
an example of using heredity incorrectly to mean genes, when it could just be environment:
Schizophrenia is also extremely high in Ireland--but is it genetic, or the fact that the typical diet excludes things that develop the brain in a way that protects from schizophrenia? The theory I read regarding this is that DHA and EPA (usually from fish oil) is not usually found in the Irish diet except on coasts (where more fish eaten), so would be dietary cause, not genetic, even if runs in families.
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Postby shye » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:06 pm

oops, left out:
and DHA and EPA (omega 3 fatty acids) are proven to have protective effect against developing schizophrenia (and can be helpful if do have schizphrenia).

Interestingly, DHA and EPA are also very helpful in ameliorating nerve inflammation, such as with MS.
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Postby stilltalking » Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:46 am

I found a World Map of MS.

http://www.themcfox.com/multiple-sclero ... -of-ms.htm

The British Isles does seem to have one of the highest rates of MS.

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Postby Dovechick » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:40 am

Hi Still talkking, it is the same map as I posted earlier. There are others out there but we need to dig a bit deeper to find them. Over to you.
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