New Zamboni Article Now Up

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New Zamboni Article Now Up

Postby ikulo » Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:01 am

Here: http://www.jvascsurg.org/article/PIIS07 ... 7/abstract

but, to view the whole thing you need to shell out 35 bucks :)
(which i don't have) :oops:
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Postby marcstck » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:11 am

Sure wish we could read the entire article.

Am I mistaken, or is this simply a reframing of information we already had?

Disappointing results for the PP and SP groups. Sounds very good for RRMS, though...

I wonder if the progressive groups saw a cessation in their progression?
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Postby Robnl » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:15 am

Don't think that this is the new document, the abstract is the same as in older doc's....

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Postby MSUK » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:55 am

Yes, this is the new document, Volume 50, Issue 6, Pages 1348-1358.e3 (December 2009)
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Postby IbRiz » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:25 am

In the top it says "December 2009", but further down it says "Received 11 June 2009; accepted 23 July 2009".....

It sure sounds like the old article.

Just my opinion.

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Postby Robnl » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:43 am

Yep, agree Christian.

Can't be it

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Postby CureOrBust » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:59 am

hmmm TRIED to have a look on http://www.fondazionehilarescere.org/, but the site wasn't resonding...
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Postby alphons » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:07 am

I think this is the first article published on jvascsurg.org about the CCSVI treatment, so it is new. Also the title is new to me. So maybe our expectations are to high.

Hey, new things, we not already knew about CCSVI? :D

This is for al the others out there, reading this material for the first time.
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Postby Boreas » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:08 am

I think it is the new one. If you click on "Add-Ons" you see that there's two videos attached. Damn! I thought it'd be free and open and commons and common sense and all that
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Postby sou » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:49 am

At the top of the page says:

This work was presented at the Thirty-first Charing Cross Symposium, London, United Kingdom, Apr 3-7, 2009.


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Postby Inge67 » Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:37 am

IbRiz wrote:In the top it says "December 2009", but further down it says "Received 11 June 2009; accepted 23 July 2009".....

Christian


This refers to the way scientific magazines work: they receive papers at a certain date, and then it is refereed by a number of reviewers/referees, before they accept it and then allow it to be published.

But still, Sou made a smart remark about the presentation in London of this paper...that sounds weird. People might have known already what the results are of the 18 months tracking. Why hasn't that been shared yet then?

I am confused.... :(
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Postby mrhodes40 » Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:59 am

Yes that is the new paper and I own a copy.

It is a great paper.

It is the same information from the cxsymposium, but presented correctly and throughly for publication.
I'll answer questions about it if you like.

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Postby TFau » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:03 am

Thanks Marie:

Does it report on any progress of the ppms patients? Were they able to operate on all of them, or were the spinal area blockages unreachable.

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Zamboni's paper

Postby GiCi » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:11 am

I have a copy of the paper: it is new and exciting!
First of all it says that the complications of the liberation procedure (no stents) were very few and mild, demonstrating that it is a safe procedure.
Secondly it establishes a very strong link between MS and CCSVI.
Thirdly it shows statistically significant improvement for RRMS with decrease of the relapsing episodes and improvement in the motor performance in SP and PPMS.
I wish to stress the importance of the paper, which will pave the way for more scientists to jump on the wagon.
We are getting there!
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Postby TFau » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:14 am

Really - improvement of motor performance for PPMS and SPMS patients. Wow! Did they look past 18 months?
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